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Originally Posted by Dezzy

Again, how? Not enough muslims are coming in to override the majority because not everyone that's coming in is a fundamentalist or an extremist. You are painting in broad strokes.

The minority, if anything, will likely shrink in generations to come since newer generations will be and have been raised in a western culture and will only know the freedoms that comes with it.

Sorry, but this is ALL grossly erroneous.

1) "Not enough muslims are coming in to override the majority because not everyone that's coming in is a fundamentalist or an extremist. "

The above statement is factually wrong because:

a) It takes no account of exploding birthrates among Immigrant mothers who are ALREADY in the UK.

Data from September 2015 show that the number of migrant babies born in the UK was at a record high with over a quarter of all births now being to foreign-born mothers and it is calculated that by 2021 over one-third of all UK babies born will be to immigrant mothers if the trend continues.

By contrast birthrates to UK-born mothers fell slightly from 1.77 to 1.76.
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By way of example, the birthrate to non-UK born mothers in the heavily immigrant-populated London borough of Newham was a staggering 76.7 per cent of all births in there in 2016.

Immigrants, notably Muslims, are also much younger - 30.4 years as opposed to 43.8 to their UK born counterparts and produce more children; 2.6 as opposed to 1.6.

b) Even in 2014 ONS data showed that mass migration had caused the UK's population to soar past 64 million for the first time and in just ONE year - from 2012 to 2013 an extra 400,000 people were living here - a large number of whom were Muslim.

So while you are correct that "not everyone that's coming in is a fundamentalist or an extremist" a percentage of those 'coming in' ARE fundamentalists and it also follows that of the Muslim babies which are born here SOME are being born into Islamic Fundamentalist families.

When added to those fundamentalists and their sympathisers who are ALREADY ensconced here, the above numbers - though still a tiny minority of the majority of peaceful, law-abiding moderate Muslims within the UK - become seriously problematical:

TIBB has tens of thousands of members but it is only a hard-core of members who are the most vociferous and 'pro-active', and in some cases the more 'extreme', who post so regularly on the SD forums, the rest - being more passive - do not.

Yet, the greater the membership of TIBB becomes, then the greater the probability of at least some of those new members being pro-active, vociferous and even extreme in their views.

The difference between TIBB and the Muslim community is that on this forum WE hold no power and even our views are 'policed' for extremism or rule breaking by 'Moderators'.

Sadly, however, history teaches us that in the Muslim community it is the very fundamentalist minority themselves who control the silent peaceful majority.

I will not go into detail here but will do so in another post if challenged with the usual delusional dismissiveness, but it is a FACT that many Mosques and schools throughout the UK are preaching Jihad and hatred of 'Dirty Kuffar' non-Muslims - especially British whites.

It is a fact that many areas which are little more than Muslim enclaves are 'No Go' areas to indigenous white British.

It is a fact that Sharia Law is being OPENLY practised in many Towns and Cities within the UK and UK Law contemptuously ignored.

It is a fact that young Brtish Muslim males are attacking and insulting and intimidating British women on British streets who just happen to be wearing Western clothes and make-up.

It is a fact that even foreign tourists to the UK have been violently attacked by Muslims because they were walking along drinking from a can of beer on a hot Summer's day or some other innocent 'affront' to their Islamic code.

It is a fact that a cameraman filming a policeman talking with Islamic radicals who were recruiting was threatened ON FILM by Muslim males that he would "be killed" if he kept on filming. (The cowardly PC - probably intimidated by P.C. and a fear of being labelled 'Islamaphobic' - walked away. )

It is a fact that two elderly Christian Ministers were threatened with arrest by the British police because they were trying to hand out Christan pamphlets on a British street and were told: "This is a Muslim area and you are not allowed to do that in here" - and THIS from a British policeman.

The above are NOT isolated incidents but are occurring EVERY day somewhere in the UK.

The authorities; including Government, Councils AND police, are so intimidated by Political Correctness and a fear of being labelled 'Racist' and 'Islamaphobic' that they 'turn a blind eye' to these problems - which is why the Pakistani Muslim 'Child-Sex' grooming gangs were able to flourish with impunity for so long and in so many areas of the UK.

There is also the fact that a lot of our Councils, Education Boards, and other branches of the all-powerful decision-making, policy-drafting Civil service are already peppered with Muslims in positions of power.

British culture, British values and British traditions ARE already being eroded by Islamic Fundamentalists who have NO respect for their own people let alone the people of this country and I'm sorry, but it is you and every other like you who deny the truth about this who is a part of the problem.

Ridiculing members who try to illustrate this truth in their posts does not help.

Note to the Admin and Mods:

This is NOT an 'anti-Muslim' post, it is an anti-Muslim fundamentalist post - one which is merely responding to an erroneous post with provable fact and truth.