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Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it's simple laws of physics that if you add to much of something too quickly, you upset the equilibrium, so in order to avoid that, you fit a valve or a tap, add a drainage point etc etc

The same is true of cultures. If you swamp a culture it will get eroded. The only way to avoid that is to discourage ghettos and control the rate of entry based on what maintains the equilibrium.

I don't see how that is difficult to grasp and it is in no way racist or prejudiced to insist on that method of controlling the equilibrium.

Yeah I had said something recently to this effect when I went to go reply to something in that order. I didn't post it because it got too long and I wasn't really "ready" to get my shoulder tapped to be pulled into any other surrounding discussions. I think people underestimate the sort of energy level that a person has to have in order to regularly participate in SD discussions that regularly branch off into multiple intense conversations...again, is another reason why I support a strict offtopic rule ... that is really unattractive for the casual user of this site, either because they don't have the energy or the time.. so we really are getting only skewed perspective in SD, we're not really seeing the casual player... we are only see posts from the most emotionally or intellectually invested of folk, usually... and that leads to a lot of conversations to appear to be more straight forward than they likely would be in the real world.

On topic to what you were saying... I grew up in a very old part of the city, and that is where the immigrant community has really moved in. First 18 years of my life I was not really "in touch" with the "white" culture as many so "colorfully" describe often... that's not really a thing where I came from.

Anyway, we used joke often about all our individual differences then and now. It's not stigmatized the way it is in other parts of the country... anyway, we all knocked our ghetto, but loved our community strangely enough. A lot of my peers have either moved out of the area or stubbornly stick to what they know... but it's not like they too didn't suffer from the same adverse effects of immigration. They had their own views.. it wasn't just a "white-ness" thing imo. Many of these people move to these areas for a better life.. and are also unhappy when they see negative conditions or the behaviors of a view usher in a speedy decline.

I think what you say about the speed of it is the gist of it for issues where space is limited. In Europe this is the case, but we also see this in older cities across the US. Houston is very young in comparison, but grew very rapidly and unchecked in recent decades, particularly in terms of sprawl... there is no geography in the way of that as it is flat as a pancake (short of the Gulf), and we suffer from chronic flooding now as a result of this constant ever-growing sprawl... it can take 1.5-2hrs (3 if counting rural areas) to get from one end of that sprawl to the other by highway (65mph~75mph)... so that's saying a lot.

Obviously being closer to the southern border, we get a higher intake of illegal immigrations. However, because of the ample space to grow... I feel like a lot of the mixed demographics can move around in a more liberated fashion, not only economically, but logistically in such a way that the cost of living is still relatively cheap, and even flood ins is cheap (thanks FEMA subdizing that policy).

Anyway, so we don't see these divisions play out here as they do in other parts of the US. For example, in CA and in the northeast, some of the most liberal parts of the country, there is a major income gap between lower and upper class... conversely, there's a much bigger chance the leaderships there are Democrat... that's not by coincidence imo. They are happy to take in as many folk into the welfare safety net unchecked... despite the fact this literally destroying those communities and causing not only civil unrest (particularly in Baltimore), but also putting in place gun control laws to try to stimmy that.. absolutely hasn't resolved gun crime.

So this emphasis on Conservatism in general just not wanting illegal immigration at all because of skin color, is false... there needs to be in essence, some form of crowd control. Keeping that in mind, racist folk in particular will always exist, and yes, they too engage in fear-mongering... but that's also coming from the left as well, "white flight", etc, all these racist terms... I think the same racial undertones can be found in a lot of the fear-mongering that is going on in our culture atm...

In Houston, obviously we have the ability to carry and access means to self-protection... which means an underpaid and undermanned police force is not going to present the issues it does in other areas... doesn't mean we don't have crime, but we don't feel we are under siege like other parts of the US, primarily because of the culture of self-protection. Besides, if an area is bad, it's very easy to pick up and to move out in comparison... given that cost of living is not really an issue here. Adding in those geographical benefits and unchecked sprawl, currently, we're not experiencing the issues that are rampant across the rest of the country...

My neighbors are first/second/third generation Americans from Mexico/South America. They have the same exact anxieties we all do about the liberal policies that are destroying our historic cities. In fact, one of my neighbors to my surprise who are first generation voted Trump... and we were still literally on the fence... like no joke, we were rebuilding the fence between our properties while we had this conversation. It was just before the vote, so it was a little bit ironic for us all.

Overall in talking to citizens here and away from the viral internet, I get the sense we all just want common sense policies and to be able to establish ourselves within our communities and live in a culture that makes sense for each of us... anyway, so I don't think that Trump is wrong to point out that some people are feeling under-represented by policies that have prevailed and allowed for a ransacking of their communities... citizens in foreign countries often have a problem with allowing white folk coming in in droves and watering down their culture, interfering with their way of life... so I don't think this is a unique aspect to Trump-ism.