[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Whatever you think of Alex Jones’ Info Wars, YouTube closing it down is part of a programme to shut down alternative media. Yesterday on the BBC it was said, ‘he hasn’t broken the law he has broken their (YouTube’s) laws’. Only the criminal law or the laws of libel should apply.

Gerard Batten MEP and head of UKIP

Except he has broken their rules of bullying and hate speech. The parents of the Sandy Hook victims can attest to that.

Trying to turn this story into a 'poor extremist being repressed by the media!' type thing ain't going to work when he endorses the harassment of parents of murdered children.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Except he has broken their rules of bullying and hate speech. The parents of the Sandy Hook victims can attest to that.

Trying to turn this story into a 'poor extremist being repressed by the media!' type thing ain't going to work when he endorses the harassment of parents of murdered children.

The rules of bullying??

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The rules of bullying??

Youtube has clear rules about bullying/targeting of others. The Sandy Hook business is a clear violation of that alone and we haven't even touched the hate speech angle.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Youtube has clear rules about bullying/targeting of others. The Sandy Hook business is a clear violation of that alone and we haven't even touched the hate speech angle.

Yes but youtube is not the law, and that is the point being made.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Yes but youtube is not the law, and that is the point being made.

No, they are a private company who can restrict usage to whomever fails to follow their terms & conditions that users agreed to when they signed up. Just like every other platform owned by a private company that this arsehole has been banned from.

Trying to turn it into an argument of freedom of speech is just disingenuous, he broke the rules of the website and services and he got banned from them.

Nobody is denying him his freedom of speech, he is allowed his opinions but he isn't entitled to use these platforms when he breaks their rules.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

No, they are a private company who can restrict usage to whomever fails to follow their terms & conditions that users agreed to when they signed up. Just like every other platform owned by a private company that this arsehole has been banned from.

Trying to turn it into an argument of freedom of speech is just disingenuous, he broke the rules of the website and services and he got banned from them.

Nobody is denying him his freedom of speech, he is allowed his opinions but he isn't entitled to use these platforms when he breaks their rules.

Do you agree with their rules?

Hypothetical question for

If one of these companies hired a person with a totally different political opinion to you, and they saw that you called somebody a Nazi or some other name, and they decided to kick you off the platform for hate speech basically because they didn't like you and your opinion.

Would you think, that's fair enough, rules are rules?

Or would you think that you are being treated terribly?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Alf

Do you agree with their rules?

Hypothetical question for

If one of these companies hired a person with a totally different political opinion to you, and they saw that you called somebody a Nazi or some other name, and they decided to kick you off the platform for hate speech basically because they didn't like you and your opinion.

Would you think, that's fair enough, rules are rules?

Or would you think that you are being treated terribly?

Hate speech isn't just slurs. You could find thousands of videos in which any and all slurs are used and nothing likely would happen to those users.

Hate speech runs deeper than that, it's about spreading REAL hatred to a point it could spread into real violence, and, like how I've spoken about the parents of the Sandy Hook victims, Jones' riling up and incitement of action within his fanbase has lead to serious real life harassment and consequences for these people whose only crime has been losing a child.

Inciting hatred against a group of people for discriminatory reasons is hate speech, it isn't the same as opposing someone's views and presenting your own.

Your hyporthetical would not happen but if it did, I wouldn't be mad about it because I have the capacity to realise my mistakes. I certainly wouldn't expect left or centre media to mollycoddle me and blame the world for my errors like the right wing are doing with Jones.

Now time for my question, you're defending Jones here but what do you think of his treatment of the parents of the Sandy Hook victims?

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

No, they are a private company who can restrict usage to whomever fails to follow their terms & conditions that users agreed to when they signed up. Just like every other platform owned by a private company that this arsehole has been banned from.

Trying to turn it into an argument of freedom of speech is just disingenuous, he broke the rules of the website and services and he got banned from them.

Nobody is denying him his freedom of speech, he is allowed his opinions but he isn't entitled to use these platforms when he breaks their rules.

im afraid that was not the point made

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

im afraid that was not the point made

No, the original point was silly. It doesn't matter if he broke the law or not, that's not in question. He breached the terms and conditions he agreed to when he joined those sites and services and they terminated his membership. That is the crux of it.

Trying to obfuscate the issue just to vindicate him of blame is just a revisionist take on what happened. He broke the rules, he got banned. Simple.

[The Slim Reaper]

He also pushed the pizzagate conspiracy theory which was basically a pizza house in Washington which supposedly kept children in the basement to be raped by the clintons, podesta et al. A guy went into the restaurant with a shotgun demanding that the children be released but they didn't even have a basement. You can't incite violence and then face zero consequences.