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18-09-2018, 07:40 PM | #76 | |||
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Literally all I care about when it comes to this topic is assuming equality with responsibility or assuming equality while also eradicating the responsibility. Moral progress like this is a slow burner and long track, and I don’t want any sick double standards to slip thru the cracks, is all
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18-09-2018, 07:42 PM | #77 | |||
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18-09-2018, 07:43 PM | #78 | |||
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For the record, I don't fully disagree with Cameron's statement. the way see it, if someone hits you, you can hit them back. Man/woman/alien. Doesn't matter. For me that's equality. But rather than worry about who can hit who, I'd rather focus on making a world where nobody hits anybody. I'm more offended by the way he puts his comments across and the fact that he's mouthing off about things he knows nothing about that have just been spoon-fed to him. Quote:
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18-09-2018, 07:43 PM | #79 | |||
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Nobody should hit someone unless they've been violent to them or utterly disgusting . |
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18-09-2018, 07:46 PM | #80 | |||
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hit BACK - which tbh for the sake of the argument, is valid enough.
I can't say I like the Cameron I see in the video, but implying that he supports hitting a woman solely for being a bitch and removing the part of "if she beats him first" - is a reach from reachland.
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18-09-2018, 07:46 PM | #81 | |||
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Well that’s my point then. It’s about wanting the ‘good parts’ of equality, without assuming the bad parts the other gender has to deal with, and completely ignoring it really. Das literally it
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18-09-2018, 07:51 PM | #82 | |||
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I agree with him. Womens that beat men deserve to be hit back. Point blank.
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18-09-2018, 07:52 PM | #83 | |||
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And yeah ur right it’s just as someone who’s very left/liberal a lot of liberal circles I’ve found myself in don’t give ample criticism to certain flaws in this way of thinking, the only people that do are the conserstives, and due to them being conserstives said criticism gets brushed off. It’s all part of the discussion and it’s all relevant imo. A lot of times people disregard ‘the other side’ of the gender debate with like ‘well women have it worse so they should supersede it. Like I’m what, one in like millions of people in the debate giving the other spectrum the time of day? I’m sure the absurd rates of sexual assault and gender pay gap are getting amply discussed. Imo everyone who’s in the working class is disadvantaged by gender roles in some way, to different severities. It all warrants discussion tho imo, to move to a future where maybe one day we’ll all be liberated from this bs Last edited by Elliot; 18-09-2018 at 07:53 PM. |
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18-09-2018, 07:52 PM | #84 | |||
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18-09-2018, 07:53 PM | #85 | |||
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They dont "have" to deal with anything, nobody forces people to go for jobs they don't want, what are you on about? I mean are you actually saying women shouldn't be allowed go for good jobs they're interested in because there's not enough women who want to be dustmen?
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18-09-2018, 07:54 PM | #86 | |||
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I’m pretty sure I’ve already spelled out how I’ve felt in the like 20 posts I’ve posted on this thread, that would prove what ur saying now to be false Last edited by Elliot; 18-09-2018 at 07:54 PM. |
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18-09-2018, 07:55 PM | #87 | |||
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"hit BACK" really is the key word here. I'm honestly shook this descended into a full on feminism debate
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18-09-2018, 07:57 PM | #88 | |||
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18-09-2018, 07:57 PM | #89 | |||
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18-09-2018, 07:57 PM | #90 | |||
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I'll leave Elliot & Niamh to it , i've said my bit already .
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18-09-2018, 07:58 PM | #91 | |||
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18-09-2018, 07:59 PM | #92 | |||
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The thing is I’m sure I probably agree with you niahm but you’ve misunderstanding what I’m saying... my only point is it’s not equality if you want to consist detrimental double standards, like men not being allowed to hit women but the contrary being allowed. By definition it’s then not equality, and an entirely different beast to what I thought feminism was?
But yeah like at the above this stuff will probably fall into place so it doesn’t matter too much. My only worry are the double standards Last edited by Elliot; 18-09-2018 at 07:59 PM. |
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18-09-2018, 08:00 PM | #93 | |||
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Think I must've scrolled past. Care to summarise?
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18-09-2018, 08:02 PM | #94 | |||
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18-09-2018, 08:02 PM | #95 | |||
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So then it's not really about equality in every sense of the word, is it? It's about ensuring women have the same representation in the seats of power as men. There is a diffrrence between campaigning for power to be shared equally between men and women, and wanting true equality between the sexes in different areas of life.
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18-09-2018, 08:02 PM | #96 | |||
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i don't know if that's exactly what you mean but that's what it's implying
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18-09-2018, 08:03 PM | #97 | |||
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Elliot I think you're making a lot of valid points and I respect your opinion even though I don't agree with everything. You're definitely coming from a good, well-intentioned place.
But I think you're getting caught-up in details instead of worrying about the big picture. Sometimes details are important. Sometimes they just distract from the issue. Regardless of what your opinions are I respect them more than that silly buffoon Cameron. He's socially awkward, no life experience at all, clearly doesn't know how to interact with others or talk about anything that makes him remotely uncomfortable - lacking maturity and the mentality to deal with the real world.... yet somehow thinks he's in a valid position to know how the country should work. Sure, Jan.
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18-09-2018, 08:03 PM | #98 | |||
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18-09-2018, 08:04 PM | #99 | |||
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It's literally just stating the obvious that men have problems too. Show me where he said or implied that men have it worse than women?
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18-09-2018, 08:04 PM | #100 | |||
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So basically we can change the title of this thread to "OK falsely implies that Cameron supports violence against women, but he doesn't actually"
End of drama. We can move on?
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