[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

So adults demonstrating that violence is a way to solve problems makes it LESS likely that kids / teens will use violence to solve their problems?

It doesn't make sense. It just doesn't, and it never will, no matter how much people want it to, there is simply zero evidence base behind the idea that corporal punishment teaches respect, and there is an ample evidence base behind the statistically verified fact that violence (whether its "well meaning" or apparently "justified" or not) begets violence. I get that people don't like that and want something else to be true, but it just isn't. People have been examining this issue for a very long time.

This kid being physically grabbed / pushed by this bus driver will have made him much more likely to grab / push other people in future. Especially if people are congratulating the driver and saying that he did the right thing. It's positive reinforcement of violence and its pretty much just that simple.

A push is hardly demonstrating violence, if someone tried to enter your home illegally or in a threatening way you would be quite within your rights to push them out, the bus driver is responsible for the bus and his passengers, if he felt this passenger was going to be a threat or cause trouble he had every right to push him off, we don't know the full story here so its difficult to judge why the bus driver reacted but I doubt it was just for being called a prick

If this happened at a hospital reception desk no one would bat an eyelid at the youth being man handled out by security, the guy is on his own, its not like he set about him with a baseball bat, he pushed him off the bus, the only way he let himself down was calling the kid fat, maybe he has done the kid a favour and he will act reasonably in future