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04-01-2019, 07:54 PM | #26 | ||
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04-01-2019, 08:00 PM | #27 | ||
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I think you’re oversimplifying a little. The male and female genders are not mutually exclusive; there’s so much crossover, and a spectrum between masculinity and femininity, and transgenderism as a result is very complex, and cannot, in my opinion be boiled down to such crude categories; unless you’re referring to legal gender or biological sexual characteristics (which in itself is not black-and-white).
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04-01-2019, 08:05 PM | #28 | ||
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04-01-2019, 08:08 PM | #29 | ||
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04-01-2019, 08:10 PM | #30 | ||
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04-01-2019, 08:14 PM | #32 | |||
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Yeah exactly and that's not helpful for equality between the sexes imo
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04-01-2019, 08:15 PM | #34 | ||
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Whilst I do (broadly) agree that gender is a societal construction, it logically cannot have been constructed "for the purpose of the patriarchy", as the very concept of patriarchy requires gender as a precursor. That is to say, "the male" HAS TO predate "the patriarchy", and thus, gender can't be a social norm created to serve the patriarchy. Thus, for me, a patriarchal society is a wide-scale secondary symptom of a gender divide, not your starting point. |
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04-01-2019, 08:19 PM | #35 | ||
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I am merely questioning the accepted norms. Wow rude I’m not trying to be ‘woke af’, I’m merely discursively questioning accepted beliefs. If you have something constructive to say, please share it. |
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04-01-2019, 08:21 PM | #36 | ||
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04-01-2019, 09:01 PM | #37 | ||
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It does, but to address it you have to consider its origins (I think this is a here a lot of people go wrong; assuming that the origin is necessarily societal or worse, that it "doesn't matter" as though it's possible to change the current status quo without understanding the roots of gender roles.)
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04-01-2019, 11:26 PM | #38 | ||
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Gender is something that simply exists, the only thing we aided with is giving people who know they are the opposite sex a chance to transition but gender norms and societal constructs are of our own making.
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05-01-2019, 01:12 AM | #39 | ||
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what about someone who is happy with a part transition, say "female to male trans" who gets rid of breasts but keeps vagina, only bc that's what s/he feels this combination reflects them accurately (it could be other way round, a chick with a dick)
and is androgynous in terms of looks and behaviour, and bisexual where should s/he be placed in the two-gender world? |
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05-01-2019, 08:33 AM | #40 | ||
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Gender exists only in the way that society created it. Yes it ‘exists’ but it’s not an indestructible construct. Sex on the other hand does physically exist.
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05-01-2019, 08:34 AM | #41 | ||
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05-01-2019, 10:18 AM | #42 | |||
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I use to be very firm in my belief that there are only two genders and that people who identify as gender fluid were attention seeking but the more i've looked into it the more I towards the idea that gender is a social construct.
Now sexuality I know is a social construct. Maybe the reason people feel as if a bunch of sexualities are just popping up everyday is because it might just be impossible to try and represent every individuals sexuality in a couple of groups. I'll use myself for example. In the past I've had sexual encounters with and have been attracted to women. i also wouldn't rule out dating a trans man/woman or somebody who's non binary. However I identify as gay because i'm only actively dating cis men atm. Sexuality I've always seen as being on a spectrum but a spider diagram might be more accurate tbh (sorry for any typos I'm a mess today). |
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05-01-2019, 01:56 PM | #43 | |||
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I think that when people have a bit too much time to themselves and dont have much else on they start to obsess about stuff like this
Busy people who have things to do tend not to bother tbh |
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05-01-2019, 02:00 PM | #44 | |||
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Two sexes, heterosexual and others.
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05-01-2019, 02:12 PM | #45 | |||
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Do you mean tax paying workers just get on with life whilst school/college/University attenders are constantly getting indoctrinated with this bollox?
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05-01-2019, 03:03 PM | #46 | ||
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I personally struggle with the somewhat limiting sexuality categories. I am somewhat attracted to the female body (and have been intimate w one or two ) but I am far more attracted to men by a long way and would only get into a homosexual relationship. I don’t think bisexuality and homosexuality as labels do justice to the spectrum. |
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05-01-2019, 03:04 PM | #47 | ||
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None of the info in the OP was indoctrinated into me at university or school, I learned all this independently of my own accord
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05-01-2019, 03:11 PM | #48 | |||
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Its like when people say that advertising does not affect them and then you look in their fridge and hey presto.. |
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05-01-2019, 04:32 PM | #49 | |||
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05-01-2019, 05:06 PM | #50 | |||
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The person in your apocryphal example is a transman who hasn't had bottom surgery. |
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