[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I can't speak for everyone in this thread but it's not the average trans person that people are talking about, it's this new Self IDing, pre OP (or no intention of an OP) situation that most have the problem with. Where you can just decide "yeah I'm a woman now". Trans people have been around for a longtime and there was no issue, it's only become an issue because of self IDing.

I do understand where you are coming from, but even if you just decide one day to be trans it’s not a golden ticket to wealth and happiness.

People do abuse the system, we all know that, but we must not let genuine people suffer abuse and discrimination.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

I do understand where you are coming from, but even if you just decide one day to be trans it’s not a golden ticket to wealth and happiness.

People do abuse the system, we all know that, but we must not let genuine people suffer abuse and discrimination.

But instead we put women at risk so genuine Self IDing trans people don't suffer? (mostly talking prisons etc here) It's saying that trans rights trump womens safety. Prisons and Changing rooms aren't seperated by gender, they're seperated by sex for fairly obvious reasons so if a trans person hasn't had the OP, for the safety of female inmates they shouldn't be put in womens prisons

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

But instead we put women at risk so genuine Self IDing trans people don't suffer? (mostly talking prisons etc here) It's saying that trans rights trump womens safety. Prisons and Changing rooms aren't seperated by gender, they're seperated by sex for fairly obvious reasons so if a trans person hasn't had the OP, for the safety of female inmates they shouldn't be put in womens prisons

The op is about trans on hospital wards prison is a different issue, pre op trans should not be put on women’s wings nor should they be put on men’s wings.

[thesheriff443]

Any of us or our children could have been born trans or had the strength to come out as trans.

I’ve learned to be greatfull for who I am and have compassion for those who arrive suffering from something that is due to no fault of their own.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Any of us or our children could have been born trans or had the strength to come out as trans.

I’ve learned to be greatfull for who I am and have compassion for those who arrive suffering from something that is due to no fault of their own.

where do you stand on a male claiming they are now a womans seeking refuge in a woman hostel?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Cherie

where do you stand on someone claiming they are now a womans seeking refuge in a woman hostel?

Womens hostels are categorised into areas like 16-25's, d&a dependency, domestic violence etc, I used to supply staff to these types of social housing, so your question is flawed. I'm not commenting on the debate, as I'm not 100% sure on my own opinions with this issue, but just adding a bit of info regarding this specific question.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Cherie

where do you stand on a male claiming they are now a womans seeking refuge in a woman hostel?

It’s a nice try from you to muddy the water, common sense would say that it’s not essential for that person to stay in a woman’s hostel and appreciate accommodation and safe guards would be put in place

[Jessica.]

Why should men and women be separated in the first place?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

Why should men and women be separated in the first place?

Honestly hospital wards wouldn't be such a big issue for me, there would be male visitors coming in and out all day anyway, I've been in short term wards (where you're released that day after a procedure/op). But I could see for elderly people who may be in there for longer periods why they'd rather not be in mixed words, for the sake of modesty. Changing rooms and prisons should not be mixed though imo

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Honestly hospital wards wouldn't be such a big issue for me, there would be male visitors coming in and out all day anyway, I've been in short term wards (where you're released that day after a procedure/op). But I could see for elderly people who may be in there for longer periods why they'd rather not be in mixed words, for the sake of modesty. Changing rooms and prisons should not be mixed though imo

They have changing rooms and modesty screens for a reason though?

I can't imagine elderly women all strip off happily in front of one another either?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

They have changing rooms and modesty screens for a reason though?

I can't imagine elderly women all strip off happily in front of one another either?

Probably not I suppose

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Honestly hospital wards wouldn't be such a big issue for me, there would be male visitors coming in and out all day anyway, I've been in short term wards (where you're released that day after a procedure/op). But I could see for elderly people who may be in there for longer periods why they'd rather not be in mixed words, for the sake of modesty. Changing rooms and prisons should not be mixed though imo

Personally I wouldn't feel sharing a ward with anyone to be modest, also, there are male doctors and nurses, I wouldn't find being treated by a man any different to being in the same ward as one. It's just a man. The only reason a trans person, pre-op or post-op is going to be in the hospital is for a medical need. They're not going to be rubbing their hands together at the prospect of preying on someone at the hospital when they find out they have to get their gallbladder out.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Jessica.

Personally I wouldn't feel sharing a ward with anyone to be modest, also, there are male doctors and nurses, I wouldn't find being treated by a man any different to being in the same ward as one. It's just a man. The only reason a trans person, pre-op or post-op is going to be in the hospital is for a medical need. They're not going to be rubbing their hands together at the prospect of preying on someone at the hospital when they find out they have to get their gallbladder out.

You have completely missed the point, its self identication that is the issue and if you read the article their rights are more important than anyone elses as it stands, shouldn’t we all have the same rights? if I identify as a cat tomorrow can I go and stay in a cattery because that is how bonkers this is

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

You have completely missed the point, its self identication that is the issue and if you read the article their rights are more important than anyone elses as it stands, shouldn’t we all have the same rights? if I identify as a cat tomorrow can I go and stay in a cattery because that is how bonkers this is

Well not really.

You just compared gender to species.

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

You have completely missed the point, its self identication that is the issue and if you read the article their rights are more important than anyone elses as it stands, shouldn’t we all have the same rights? if I identify as a cat tomorrow can I go and stay in a cattery because that is how bonkers this is

That is a ridiculous comparison. You're clearly running out of ideas.

Transgender people are just the same as everyone else, the literal only difference it makes to anyone apart from them personally is words. They might prefer to be called by a chosen name rather than the one picked for them and they might prefer to be referred to as "she/her" rather than "he/him". Other than that there is zero affect on anyone apart from that person trying to get on with their life and be comfortable.

[chuff me dizzy]

Its so wrong ,needs stopping NOW !!

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

The Veruca Salt generation

"Don't care how, I want it now"

Which generation?

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Its so wrong ,needs stopping NOW !!

[Marsh.]

Anybody can be a danger to anyone. All this fear mongering about trans-patients is so backwards.

[Alf]

Mental illness ward is where they should be.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

Mental illness ward is where they should be.

A trans woman who is admitted to hospital with a heart condition should be put on a mental illness ward?

Don't think you thought that one through did you?

[Mokka]

Here in Canada there are no Male and Female wards. Wards are created based on the reason you are in. If it's heart health... you will be on a ward with men and woman. I've even seen men and woman in the same room ..... Maybe you all just need to get over the false notion that trans people are just trying to pull a fast one to get into the opposite sexes change rooms and hospital wards for a cheap thrill... and realize people are just people.

[Crimson Dynamo]

there you go women of tibb, marsh TS and withano say


"put up and shut up, this conversation is over"




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[Mokka]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

there you go women of tibb, marsh TS and withano say


"put up and shut up, this conversation is over"




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Well thank goodness for the three of them being the real voice of reason around here. I'd have any one of them defend my rights as a woman any day

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Mokka

Well thank goodness for the three of them being the real voice of reason around here. I'd have any one of them defend my rights as a woman any day

I still don't see pre op female to male trans battering down the doors to get into male facilities so where is the equality?

[Mokka]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I still don't see pre op female to male trans battering down the doors to get into male facilities so where is the equality?

My own kid is female to male trans... and we are just starting the process of undergoing those changes... and I know for a fact HE would want to start out and end up in a Male ward... (if Male wards are even necessary) because HE thinks, feels, and identifies as male. When you go into a hospital you get assigned a bed based on your recovery period... not based on your gender going in...so if location matters and he will need attention to his male physical body... then he needs to be where that can happen... not in labour, delivery, or hysterectomys.