[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

You could go the road of saying I’m a man and I’m not staying on a ward with a gay man
Or with a woman saying I’m not staying on a ward with a lesbian.

People carry on like being trans is a choice an easy option.

Give them a break live and let live.

Wen you are old and on your all female ward and you been laying your own p1ss for hours then you realise how silly the trans argument is.

I can't speak for everyone in this thread but it's not the average trans person that people are talking about, it's this new Self IDing, pre OP (or no intention of an OP) situation that most have the problem with. Where you can just decide "yeah I'm a woman now". Trans people have been around for a longtime and there was no issue, it's only become an issue because of self IDing.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I can't speak for everyone in this thread but it's not the average trans person that people are talking about, it's this new Self IDing, pre OP (or no intention of an OP) situation that most have the problem with. Where you can just decide "yeah I'm a woman now". Trans people have been around for a longtime and there was no issue, it's only become an issue because of self IDing.

That is overlooked, not sure if it is on purpose or they clearly can't see the difference

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I can't speak for everyone in this thread but it's not the average trans person that people are talking about, it's this new Self IDing, pre OP (or no intention of an OP) situation that most have the problem with. Where you can just decide "yeah I'm a woman now". Trans people have been around for a longtime and there was no issue, it's only become an issue because of self IDing.

I do understand where you are coming from, but even if you just decide one day to be trans it’s not a golden ticket to wealth and happiness.

People do abuse the system, we all know that, but we must not let genuine people suffer abuse and discrimination.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

I do understand where you are coming from, but even if you just decide one day to be trans it’s not a golden ticket to wealth and happiness.

People do abuse the system, we all know that, but we must not let genuine people suffer abuse and discrimination.

But instead we put women at risk so genuine Self IDing trans people don't suffer? (mostly talking prisons etc here) It's saying that trans rights trump womens safety. Prisons and Changing rooms aren't seperated by gender, they're seperated by sex for fairly obvious reasons so if a trans person hasn't had the OP, for the safety of female inmates they shouldn't be put in womens prisons

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

But instead we put women at risk so genuine Self IDing trans people don't suffer? (mostly talking prisons etc here) It's saying that trans rights trump womens safety. Prisons and Changing rooms aren't seperated by gender, they're seperated by sex for fairly obvious reasons so if a trans person hasn't had the OP, for the safety of female inmates they shouldn't be put in womens prisons

The op is about trans on hospital wards prison is a different issue, pre op trans should not be put on women’s wings nor should they be put on men’s wings.