[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Yes, but the question is could more lives have been saved.

If they had pointed their hoses at a different angle? Nah. If the building hadn't been covered in flammable material? Absolutely.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

If they had pointed their hoses at a different angle? Nah. If the building hadn't been covered in flammable material? Absolutely.

There was a lot of confusion on that night..including the fire brigade believing the fire was out, waiting to long to evacuate the building..heck even some of the 999 calls were handled as far away as Newcastle. ..

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by parmnion

There was a lot of confusion on that night..including the fire brigade believing the fire was out, waiting to long to evacuate the building..heck even some of the 999 calls were handled as far away as Newcastle. ..

Yes because the flats in those tower blocks are supposed to be independantly safe and the advice it to stay put, that is of course unless the cladding surrounding the whole building isn't flammable which nobody knew until it was too late!

The firefighters were working on the premise that the building was up to standard safety wise with clear stairwells, and sprinker systems, what do you say to the residents commitee who were fighting for years to get these safety systems in place? too bad the firefighters weren't up to it on the night?

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Yes because the flats in those tower blocks are supposed to be independantly safe and the advice it to stay put, that is of course unless the cladding surrounding the whole building isn't flammable which nobody knew until it was too late!

The firefighters were working on the premise that the building was up to standard safety wise with clear stairwells, and sprinker systems, what do you say to the residents commitee who were fighting for years to get these safety systems in place? too bad the firefighters weren't up to it on the night?

One should ask oneself if the resident commitee had been fighting to get these safety measures in place then why didn't the fire brigade know that the safety measure went in place.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by parmnion

One should ask oneself if the resident commitee had been fighting to get these safety measures in place then why didn't the fire brigade know that the safety measure went in place.

Nobody knew the cladding was flammable apart from the person who signed off on it. I believe they were aware of the sprinkler system not being in operation but on the night are you really going to refer to your notes about a particular building? The cladding is the reason it went up like it did

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Nobody knew the cladding was flammable apart from the person who signed off on it. I believe they were aware of the sprinkler system not being in operation but on the night are you really going to refer to your notes about a particular building? The cladding is the reason it went up like it did

Checking notes is precisely what I would expect the chief fire officer to be doing.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by parmnion

There was a lot of confusion on that night..including the fire brigade believing the fire was out, waiting to long to evacuate the building..heck even some of the 999 calls were handled as far away as Newcastle. ..

Of course there was confusion, it was a massive incident, probably one most of the fire service and other emergency staff will not have seen in their lifetimes. Evacuations and timing would have been very much based on them assuming that the building didn't have flammable cladding wrapped around it also.