[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Pity they have nothing better to do with their money !! Do they not see posting posters on buses and bus stop doesn't prove Jack ? and will never take away his crimes ?

Two men talking to a camera doesn't prove Jack, Colin or Brian.

[arista]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Pity they have nothing better to do with their money !! Do they not see posting posters on buses and bus stop doesn't prove Jack ? and will never take away his crimes ?

They will not watch the Docu's
they protested outside thew London Ch4 building

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Kaz I HATE disagreeing with you, we 99% of time agree with each other but I truly cant in this case

Same here Chuff but there is no way at this point in time do I believe any of this,did you watch the video I posted earlier ? the Beach radio one a total different take on it ,but some don't want to aknowledge that,so choose to ignore it,so we will have to disagree here Chuff,but no hard feelings about that we all see things differently.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by arista

They will not watch the Docu's
they protested outside thew London Ch4 building

I watched it arista,I didn't want to as didn't want to give either of them creedence but I wanted to debate it so watched,I still do not believe them.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Did you watch the video I posted Chuff looks like it's been ignored but I'm not surprised,looks like people don't want to hear the other side of all this,so until I get proof imo he will always be innocent, this is nothing to do with Saville,Harris,McCanns, this is something totally different,Latoya said those things once then retracted it but I suppose its been resurrected again with a little more added.

1) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_1tGqn4jXc

2) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW2jCPOi0-4

3) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oo4u_P_R0p4

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Same here Chuff but there is no way at this point in time do I believe any of this,did you watch the video I posted earlier ? the Beach radio one a total different take on it ,but some don't want to aknowledge that,so choose to ignore it,so we will have to disagree here Chuff,but no hard feelings about that we all see things differently.

I will watch it now xx Just clicked on it, its over an hour long, will watch later on tv xxxx

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I watched it arista,I didn't want to as didn't want to give either of them creedence but I wanted to debate it so watched,I still do not believe them.

I wrote a long post this morning about why I think the abuse allegations Are BS , also how many people know about Wade's dodgy background, he use to email his mother asking her for details about their time with MJ and what happened, hmm why would he do that if he remembers so vividly his graphic abuse?! . I don't trust either of the men but especially Wade !.

Wade also emailed himself old tabloids about MJ scandals, so he could get inspiration for his accusations .

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

And two lying gold diggers doesn't prove anything either

They don't indeed.
You are right and that's how I see them too.
The more I think about it.

As for hearing about Michael Jackson's so called crimes.
What has he been convicted of again.
Oh nothing.

In a court, these 2 cross exanined, the one especially on the bloodstained underwear claim.
I would dare bet they'd be wiped the floor with as to their claims.

I enjoyed the video you posted Kazanne.
Sadly near all of it will probably be dismissed on here.


However I can take on board easily what was said in it about Jackson feeling he could only trust children.


I think he allowed it unwisely to be taken to an extreme but even moreso after watching these 2 talking.
I don't hold he committed anything sexual with them.

Money corrupts.
It seems these got less favourable because the spending and gifts from MJ had dried up as to them.

[Cherie]

Okay so I am half an hour in and I have a question to all the parents on this thread, would you be speaking so fondly about someone who molested your child....so far its mainly Jimmys mother but she doesn't appear to have any anger or regret so far, just wow it was all so wonderful, first class travel yay!


Does she show any anger at all as the interviews progress


also is it me but I cant tell the difference between Wade and Jimmy in appearance

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Okay so I am half an hour in and I have a question to all the parents on this thread, would you be speaking so fondly about someone who molested your child....so far its mainly Jimmys mother but she doesn't appear to have any anger or regret so far, just wow it was all so wonderful, first class travel yay!


Does she show any anger at all as the interviews progress


also is it me but I cant tell the difference between Wade and Jimmy in appearance

I saw a clip and they can pass for brothers

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Okay so I am half an hour in and I have a question to all the parents on this thread, would you be speaking so fondly about someone who molested your child....so far its mainly Jimmys mother but she doesn't appear to have any anger or regret so far, just wow it was all so wonderful, first class travel yay!


Does she show any anger at all as the interviews progress


also is it me but I cant tell the difference between Wade and Jimmy in appearance

We are going to watch it tonight...or Part 1 anyway.
What parent would let their young child sleep around his house in the first place. It seems the mothers are more awestruck with MJ than the welfare of their children.

...and from clips I have seen the two do look alike.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Okay so I am half an hour in and I have a question to all the parents on this thread, would you be speaking so fondly about someone who molested your child....so far its mainly Jimmys mother but she doesn't appear to have any anger or regret so far, just wow it was all so wonderful, first class travel yay!





Does she show any anger at all as the interviews progress





also is it me but I cant tell the difference between Wade and Jimmy in appearance

The do look very alike, perhaps MJ had a "type".

To answer your question... No I don't understand their demeanor, HOWEVER, the parents in the Netflix (bizarre) documentary "Abducted in plain sight" have a very similar demeanor in their interviews (smiling and laughing a lot, the mother talking about him fondly) so who knows. There's certainly no doubt over the abuser's guilt in that case so .

My honest opinion is that Wade's mother is just coping as well as she can; she seems pretty upset towards the end and her relationship with all of her kids is pretty strained now.

Safechuck's mother just seems kind of callous I guess? But who knows. Could be a defense mechanism I suppose.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Okay so I am half an hour in and I have a question to all the parents on this thread, would you be speaking so fondly about someone who molested your child....so far its mainly Jimmys mother but she doesn't appear to have any anger or regret so far, just wow it was all so wonderful, first class travel yay!





Does she show any anger at all as the interviews progress





also is it me but I cant tell the difference between Wade and Jimmy in appearance

Jimmy' s mother does but Wades mom is just odd

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The do look very alike, perhaps MJ had a "type".

To answer your question... No I don't understand their demeanor, HOWEVER, the parents in the Netflix (bizarre) documentary "Abducted in plain sight" have a very similar demeanor in their interviews (smiling and laughing a lot, the mother talking about him fondly) so who knows. There's certainly no doubt over the abuser's guilt in that case so .

My honest opinion is that Wade's mother is just coping as well as she can; she seems pretty upset towards the end and her relationship with all of her kids is pretty strained now.

Safechuck's mother just seems kind of callous I guess? But who knows. Could be a defense mechanism I suppose.

I thought Jimmy s mother seemed more guilty

[Niamh.]

But yeah the abducted in plain sight parents kind if prove that maybe there's just a type of parent like that too. I mean even allowing your 7 year old sleep with a grown man is bizarre behaviour for a parent even if he never touched them

[Marsh.]

Well there were those mothers who handed their babies over to that Ian Watkins. Humanity can be so depraved.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Well there were those mothers who handed their babies over to that Ian Watkins. Humanity can be so depraved.

Jesus, I had forgotten about that case..makes me feel sick to my stomach even thinking about it.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Well there were those mothers who handed their babies over to that Ian Watkins. Humanity can be so depraved.

It's hard to even try and figure out what goes on in people like that's minds

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I thought Jimmy s mother seemed more guilty

You might be right to be fair. I thought she seemed more accepting of what happened but then, it's been nearly 15 years since James told her (as he told her long before anyone else, back in 2004, but made her promise not to tell anyone else) so she's had time to process it?

Wades mum gets upset towards the end but thinking about it, it feels more like she feels sorry for herself and the damage its done to her relationships than "guilt".

[Cherie]

and where are the Dads, sorry I paused at 30 minutes as that was enough in one hit, as I found it kind of boring ....sorry... did the Dads feature?

Jimmys Mom is like a stepford wife, so coiffed and I think she made them use a filter on her

[Cherie]

The stand out line so far is Michael introduced me to masturbation in Paris

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

and where are the Dads, sorry I paused at 30 minutes as that was enough in one hit, as I found it kind of boring ....sorry... did the Dads feature?



Jimmys Mom is like a stepford wife, so coiffed and I think she made them use a filter on her

James' father I'm not entirely sure. Wade Robson's father killed himself after the mother took him and his sister off to live in the US (though being fair it seems he had lifelong mental health issues.)

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

James' father I'm not entirely sure. Wade Robson's father killed himself after the mother took him and his sister off to live in the US (though being fair it seems he had lifelong mental health issues.)

oh right, yes taking him to the US from Australia does seem Stage Mom gone into overdrive

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

James' father I'm not entirely sure. Wade Robson's father killed himself after the mother took him and his sister off to live in the US (though being fair it seems he had lifelong mental health issues.)

He killed himself after the older brother left him to join them years later iirc

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

He killed himself after the older brother left him to join them years later iirc

how cold is that, that is why I am having difficulty with their stance now, they are obviously money hungry!