[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Quite obvious this will be what happens. Or had already happened.

And the sad thing is I wouldn't even blame the girl because even taking on someone who isn't famous with unlimited funds usually doesn't result in a conviction. She would likely be the one on trial just look at that case in NI

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

And the sad thing is I wouldn't even blame the girl because even taking on someone who isn't famous with unlimited funds usually doesn't result in a conviction. She would likely be the one on trial just look at that case in NI

Apparently, she did not even report the rape. She had gone to get treatment for the physical injuries. That night be made up but its what I read months back.

Anyway, he will be innocent because anyone who says a celeb (especially a loaded one) abused them is just doing it for the money

Was looking through old Saville threads on another site last night, and there were loads of people saying that all the victims were just doing it for cash. Its quite scary really. 'Another one after compensation, this does a disservice to those who have actually been abused' etc etc

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Apparently, she did not even report the rape. She had gone to get treatment for the physical injuries. That night be made up but its what I read months back.

Anyway, he will be innocent because anyone who says a celeb (especially a loaded one) abused them is just doing it for the money

Was looking through old Saville threads on another site last night, and there were loads of people saying that all the victims were just doing it for cash. Its quite scary really. 'Another one after compensation, this does a disservice to those who have actually been abused' etc etc

I don't think everyone does it for money, but it definitely happens,there was quite a bit of evidence in the Saville case I believe even audio tapes ,so I think he was guilty,Cliff Richard on the other hand has been accused and cleared of any misconduct,so I think his was for money, it's shame it happens as it makes it hard for real victims.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I don't think everyone does it for money, but it definitely happens,there was quite a bit of evidence in the Saville case I believe even audio tapes ,so I think he was guilty,Cliff Richard on the other hand has been accused and cleared of any misconduct,so I think his was for money, it's shame it happens as it makes it hard for real victims.

Money? Did Cliff Richard have people accuse him?

I don't really remember. I thought Yewtree investigations led them to investigating him for whatever purpose. I didn't realise someone actually accused him.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Money? Did Cliff Richard have people accuse him?

I don't really remember. I thought Yewtree investigations led them to investigating him for whatever purpose. I didn't realise someone actually accused him.

Multiple accusers but no physical evidence found and so the claims have (again) been dismissed as "definitely false" rather than "not proven" by many people.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Money? Did Cliff Richard have people accuse him?

I don't really remember. I thought Yewtree investigations led them to investigating him for whatever purpose. I didn't realise someone actually accused him.

Yes there were two accusers

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Money? Did Cliff Richard have people accuse him?

I don't really remember. I thought Yewtree investigations led them to investigating him for whatever purpose. I didn't realise someone actually accused him.

Wasn't it a teenage boy Marsh ? Oh I'm not sure now,better get investigating

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Was looking through old Saville threads on another site last night, and there were loads of people saying that all the victims were just doing it for cash. Its quite scary really. 'Another one after compensation, this does a disservice to those who have actually been abused' etc etc

That sounds oddly familiar . Can't put my finger on it though.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

That sounds oddly familiar . Can't put my finger on it though.

I can,you are on about the MJ case.how awful that some people aren't buying what you'de like them too.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I can,you are on about the MJ case.how awful that some people aren't buying what you'de like them too.

I'm afraid I am Kazanne, yes, because reading the first two pages of that thread is like some sort of bizarre deja vu.

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Why have these people waited until now to tell their stories?

Originally Posted by Livia

How come then, that no one spoke out during his lifetime? I mean, was he so scary and powerful? How come everyone now knows that it was true because it was " creepy" and yet no one thought it was right to put a stop to it while it was happening? Or is now now an easy target because he can't clear his own name?

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Esther Rantzen throwing her weight behind these claims shows us just what that woman will do to keep her career alive

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It all boils down to this: someone somewhere is making some cash out of this

I mean... these could literally be quotes from the Jackson thread.


I even asked Livia outright if she would have said the same about Saville and she was uncharacteristically dismissive of the question. It turns out that's because she literally did say exactly the same things about Saville almost word-for-word. Consistent opinions at least, I suppose.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'm afraid I am Kazanne, yes, because reading the first two pages of that thread is like some sort of bizarre deja vu.






I mean... these could literally be quotes from the Jackson thread.

Savilles case is nothing like the MJ case, loads of people complained and the police and the BBC turned a blind eye, he was never investigated in life never mind by the FBI

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Savilles case is nothing like the MJ case, loads of people complained and the police and the BBC turned a blind eye, he was never investigated in life never mind by the FBI

Yes and yet people (mostly the same people) were still casting doubt on it. The thread is like a mirror image, I don't see how that can be denied, it's right there to read.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I'm afraid I am Kazanne, yes, because reading the first two pages of that thread is like some sort of bizarre deja vu.






I mean... these could literally be quotes from the Jackson thread.


I even asked Livia outright if she would have said the same about Saville and she was uncharacteristically dismissive of the question. It turns out that's because she literally did say exactly the same things about Saville almost word-for-word. Consistent opinions at least, I suppose.

Tbf you're plucking opinions out from the early reports of Saville. Actual evidence came to light which changed it all.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Tbf you're plucking opinions out from the early reports of Saville. Actual evidence came to light which changed it all.

Yes but the consistency of the opinions is relevant; the same people were saying the same things in the Saville case as they are in the Jackson case with just as much conviction, with the same arguments ("it's just because he's weird", "it's just because they want money") and they were of course completely wrong in those assumptions, as it turns out. I'd say that's fairly relevant, at least in showing that people should be a bit more hesitant in dismissing claims in that manner?

I'm not saying that people should think "Well Saville was guilty so Jackson must be guilty too!", that would be a false logic, too... I just find it odd that people aren't open to the thought though "Oh hmmmm I said all of this about Saville and I was wrong, so maybe I should keep a more open mind about this one".

I find it strange that people can be "so sure", wrong, and then "so sure" again.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Apparently, she did not even report the rape. She had gone to get treatment for the physical injuries. That night be made up but its what I read months back.

Anyway, he will be innocent because anyone who says a celeb (especially a loaded one) abused them is just doing it for the money

Was looking through old Saville threads on another site last night, and there were loads of people saying that all the victims were just doing it for cash. Its quite scary really. 'Another one after compensation, this does a disservice to those who have actually been abused' etc etc

Yeah if what I read about it is true (and it seems to be as police have actually said that she was injured as well as clearly raped) then it was one of the most horrific things I ever read and I have still seen people defend this guy, it's unbelievable what people will excuse because it's a hero of theirs and this person was a big hero of mine.