[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yes an actual properly made documentary not some you tube ****e

So because it was on YouTube it's ****e, actual footage and interviews , yes I guess something made to look so sombre ,so cold and scripted would probably fit some peoples notions of him.How would you know anyway as you haven't seen them.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

So because it was on YouTube it's ****e, actual footage and interviews , yes I guess something made to look so sombre ,so cold and scripted would probably fit some peoples notions of him.How would you know anyway as you haven't seen them.

I've seen plenty of creepy footage of MJ over the years to base my opinion on thanks, I love how you think yours video is the only one that counts though

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I've seen plenty of creepy footage of MJ over the years to base my opinion on thanks, I love how you think yours video is the only one that counts though

They are not my videos ,I just posted them I was sent them to post, if you debate things fairly surely we look at all sides so they are not hurting are they? but it's obvious you are not interested but some people maybe they are the ones they are aimed at.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I've seen plenty of creepy footage of MJ over the years to base my opinion on thanks, I love how you think yours video is the only one that counts though

Now Niamh, there's no need for this condescention. She didn't say it was the only one that counts. There's no harm, the opposite, it is strongly advised to watch material presenting different picture to the ch4 documentary. If you want to have as full a picture as possible that is. If you have an open mind.

[chuff me dizzy]

Out of respect to Kazanne I will watch one of the videos she posted when I get a spare hour today

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Out of respect to Kazanne I will watch one of the videos she posted when I get a spare hour today

You don't have to Chuff,I posted them as I was asked to then at least we have a level playing field, which seems only fair,but fairness doesn't seem warranted here, but if you watch them at least you might see why some of us are not believing those two,It's difficult when you go into it not liking him,but people should at least try,I watched that documentry even though I knew what the outcome would be with some people.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

You don't have to Chuff,I posted them as I was asked to then at least we have a level playing field, which seems only fair,but fairness doesn't seem warranted here, but if you watch them at least you might see why some of us are not believing those two,It's difficult when you go into it not liking him,but people should at least try,I watched that documentry even though I knew what the outcome would be with some people.

Can you repost the link,Ive been over half an hour searching this thread looking for them lol

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Can you repost the link,Ive been over half an hour searching this thread looking for them lol

I will see if I can find it Chuff, but they may have been taken off.

This is the first one posted it has a long intro and also a gap in the middle just FF those,

Youtube video

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Now Niamh, there's no need for this condescention. She didn't say it was the only one that counts. There's no harm, the opposite, it is strongly advised to watch material presenting different picture to the ch4 documentary. If you want to have as full a picture as possible that is. If you have an open mind.

Now TS, practice what you preach

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Now TS, practice what you preach

Excuse me that is 2S, or TS2: Judgement Day.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Excuse me that is 2S, or TS2: Judgement Day.

Well he was certainly TS2: Judgement Day in that post

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

So because it was on YouTube it's ****e, actual footage and interviews , yes I guess something made to look so sombre ,so cold and scripted would probably fit some peoples notions of him.How would you know anyway as you haven't seen them.

Anything, which does not contain analytical expansion or analysis of what is being claimed.
Therefore presented as you say in this weighted, non challenging way, as this programme was.

In my view, should be treated with sceptism.
What were they afraid of if questioned and challenged.

Whereas the videos you posted, which I knew would be poo pooed as I said.

They, as the court case and all other facts, contained in the video you posted, don't fit the agenda of those thinking and wanting MJ guilty and pilloried.

You were right before too, when you said MJ wanted to fight the Chandler issue publicly in court.

MJs lawyer was pressed on that in your video, where he clearly stated the settling of that was done without MJs approval, against his wishes.

It won't matter because the lawyer won't be believed either over these 2 in this programme.

MJ did fight all charges brought, all through.
Challenged all and won.
That says far more about these 2 now in my view.