[FaLaLaLand]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

If Wade & James' story is so true then why have they constantly changed their stories and contradicted time lines ??. According to them all MJ ever did was abuse them every day ! While getting drunk ,Without working or spending time with his own family & kids .

Plus why has Leaving Neverland edited a huge chunk out the film ???

Because unless we've been sexually abused ourselves as young children (or actually, ever) we have absolutely no idea what that does to someone and how it affects them or their decisions. & even then, everyone is extremely different.

I can't even begin to imagine how something like that affects even the most basic functioning and rationale of a person.

[Christmas Lights]

Originally Posted by Jonnii

Because unless we've been sexually abused ourselves as young children (or actually, ever) we have absolutely no idea what that does to someone and how it affects them or their decisions. & even then, everyone is extremely different.

I can't even begin to imagine how something like that affects even the most basic functioning and rationale of a person.

Once again no addressing of all the inconsistencies ?? or why HBO cut a huge chunk out of the film ???

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Jonnii

Because unless we've been sexually abused ourselves as young children (or actually, ever) we have absolutely no idea what that does to someone and how it affects them or their decisions. & even then, everyone is extremely different.

I can't even begin to imagine how something like that affects even the most basic functioning and rationale of a person.

So, with that excuse, they can do literally anything because "people react extremely differently". How convenient.

[Christmas Lights]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

So, with that excuse, they can do literally anything because "people react extremely differently". How convenient.

And let's forget about HBO cutting out huge bits of the film when things don't add up .

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

So, with that excuse, they can do literally anything because "people react extremely differently". How convenient.

It might be "convenient" or for some reason amusing to you Marsh but it is also true; there is no "standard reaction" for victims of abuse or emotional trauma.

The idea that there is is what leads people to sweeping incorrect judgements about mental health, addiction, etc. As so much (the majority) of drug addiction is linked to childhood emotional trauma but then you get idiots saying things like "Well the same thing / worse happened to me and I'M not a thieving junkie so it's not true that it's because of that!!"

Whether you like it or not human emotion is individual and unpredictable. People can go through exactly the same thing and some will be open about it straight away some will take it to their grave. Some will rage and cry, some will seem totally blank. It just is what it is.

The idea that because abuse victim A) reacts nothing like abuse victim B), one of them must be lying, is just false and uneducated. And not really "convenient" at all.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It might be "convenient" or for some reason amusing to you Marsh but it is also true; there is no "standard reaction" for victims of abuse or emotional trauma.

I never said it wasn't true. Sorry, you wasted your time trying to patronise me.

I said it's pointless spouting it as "evidence" as it's not very convincing evidence is it?

No matter their behaviour it could be because of childhood abuse. It could just as easily not. In the context of this discussion, us all not actually knowing any of the people involved in the whole affair, it's useless.

Obviously.

Edit - Oh and FYI, I wasn't saying it was "convenient" for victims of abuse, but rather convenient for the people twisting words in this thread.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Jonnii

Because unless we've been sexually abused ourselves as young children (or actually, ever) we have absolutely no idea what that does to someone and how it affects them or their decisions. & even then, everyone is extremely different.

I can't even begin to imagine how something like that affects even the most basic functioning and rationale of a person.

I was abused Jonnii and know how it feels, and I think the documentary is full of BS.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I was abused Jonnii and know how it feels, and I think the documentary is full of BS.

Look at all the children who were abused by priests in the Catholic Church though, an awful lot of those people didn't come forward until years later. It's clear from the documentary that those men had parents who wanted to push the "relationships" their sons had with MJ for their own selfish reasons so I would imagine coming forward to them wouldn't have been easy, they don't come across like they were ever really in their childs corner

[joeysteele]

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

Look at all the children who were abused by priests in the Catholic Church though, an awful lot of those people didn't come out until years later. It's clear from the documentary that those men had parents who wanted to push the "relationships" their sons had with MJ for their own selfish reasons so I would imagine coming forward to them wouldn't have been easy, they don't come across like they were ever really in their childs corner

And the guilty Priests when accused and alive have had to have trials and been found guilty in the main.

Something you always want to dismiss as to MJ, having said trial.
With a verdict you don't seem to accept.

Thankfully in law it should be seen as right just as a guilty verdict should have been too.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

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And the guilty Priests when accused and alive have had to have trials and been found guilty in the main.

Something you always want to dismiss as to MJ, having said trial.
With a verdict you don't seem to accept.

Thankfully in law it should be seen as right just as a guilty verdict should have been too.

The conviction rate for cases like sexual abuse and rape is very low so alot of the times I would dismiss results of cases yes. Unfortunately such a crime is very hard to prove, so being found "not guilty" alot of times just means "not provable" I mean that case in NI with the rugby players is a prime example, the girl got into a taxi crying and covered in blood.....but those men were still found "not guilty" so what hope does anyone with no physical evidence and taking on a multi million dollar mega star have?

[Christmas Lights]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The conviction rate for cases like sexual abuse and rape is very low so alot of the times I would dismiss results of cases yes. Unfortunately such a crime is very hard to prove, so being found "not guilty" alot of times just means "not provable" I mean that case in NI with the rugby players is a prime example, the girl got into a taxi crying and covered in blood.....but those men were still found "not guilty" so what hope does anyone with no physical evidence and taking on a multi million dollar mega star have?

But the factor isn't just the time wade & Jimmy took to come forward , there's a lot of hole's in their stories.

I don't judge or discredit victims who later reveal they were abused,because everyone is different and at the time they're either scared or they worry they won't be believed as usually the abuser has power . It must be difficult how they carry it around for all those years before they get closure& justice.

But Wade & Jimmy aren't in that category, I don't trust them and I don't believe them . plus why try & sue the Jackson estate holding them accountable?!! What kind of crap is that .

If they were genuinely abused by MJ they would just get their story out there without wanting money. They could of just stuck to interviews as they'll make money from that. Plus Wade has his little scam charity website, this whole thing reeks of greed am afraid.