[Parmy]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

race seems to concrete to us but it's actually such a flimsy concept

That sounds interesting, can you expand a little.

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by parmnion

That sounds interesting, can you expand a little.

Race isn't biological it's a social construct, we're all human at the end of the day. The idea of race as we know it only came about during the slave trade and later on with the study of eugenics. Irish people were never considered to be white until later on. Even now someones race can differ depending on where they are in the world, a mixed race person in America will still be seen as black while in the uk acknowledge they're mixed more. In Africa theres also a whole load of different ethnic groups that anywhere else in the world would all be seen as black but in their respective countries they view each other as a different races.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

Race isn't biological it's a social construct, we're all human at the end of the day. The idea of race as we know it only came about during the slave trade and later on with the study of eugenics. Irish people were never considered to be white until later on. Even now someones race can differ depending on where they are in the world, a mixed race person in America will still be seen as black while in the uk acknowledge they're mixed more. In Africa theres also a whole load of different ethnic groups that anywhere else in the world would all be seen as black but in their respective countries they view each other as a different races.

So why is it that white people for want of a better phrase always get the most anger aimed at them for being what is described as racist these days?

Is it merely down to there being more white people in the world, so by mere numerical supremecy they will always considered to be the most racist due to their colour and perhaps sex n age?


Took me ages to digest your post..thank you.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by parmnion

So why is it that white people for want of a better phrase always get the most anger aimed at them for being what is described as racist these days?

Is it merely down to there being more white people in the world, so by mere numerical supremecy they will always considered to be the most racist due to their colour and perhaps sex n age?


Took me ages to digest your post..thank you.

Aren't there more Asians than white people in the world?

[The Slim Reaper]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8825541.html

Hours after dozens of people were killed in an attack on two mosques in New Zealand, a man was attacked "with a hammer" outside an east London mosque.

A group of three men shouted Islamaphobic abuse as they drove past the place of worship on Cannon Street Road, eyewitnesses said.

They called people attending Friday prayers “terrorists”, they added.

A few worshippers followed the blue car, only for the men to climb out of the vehicle and attack one of them with a weapon, thought to be a hammer. Police said the 27-year-old victim sustained head injuries.

The two groups fought before the men climbed back into the car and drove away.

In a clip filmed by a witness, one of the alleged attackers can be seen clinging to the car's bonnet in an attempt to get away.

"The suspects returned to their car and left the scene before police arrived," a spokesperson for London's Metropolitan Police said, adding that officers were called to the scene at around 1pm on Friday afternoon. Enquiries are ongoing to trace this vehicle. The suspects are all described as white men, believed to be aged in their 20s."

The London Ambulance Service was called but the 27-year-old victim was driven to an east London hospital by friends instead.

"At hospital, it was established that the victim had sustained a head injury, which was not believed to be serious," the spokesperson added.

"However, he was abusive towards hospital staff, and left the hospital without being treated. Investigations are ongoing and officers have not identified any motive for the attack."

No arrests have yet been made.

The alleged assault occurred the same day 49 Muslims were killed in a terrorist attack at two mosques in New Zealand.

Following the New Zealand attack police officers in the UK stepped up patrols around mosques on Friday.

Officers were deployed to provide reassurance and advice on protective security as Muslims attended Friday prayers around the country.

"Whilst there is no intelligence linking these appalling events in Christchurch to the UK, additional uniform patrols will continue in London and nationally over the coming days, focusing on places of worship and specific communities," Neil Basu, the national policing lead for counter-terrorism, said.

"We are paying specific attention to Mosques, particularly Friday prayers.

"Many communities will be understandably concerned and local officers will be out and about providing reassurance and protective security advice to communities, places of worship and businesses."

Sajid Javid, the Home Secretary, is also due to hold talks with anti-terrorism chiefs and security officials to discuss possible further measures to protect mosques in the UK.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8825541.html

Hours after dozens of people were killed in an attack on two mosques in New Zealand, a man was attacked "with a hammer" outside an east London mosque.

A group of three men shouted Islamaphobic abuse as they drove past the place of worship on Cannon Street Road, eyewitnesses said.

They called people attending Friday prayers “terrorists”, they added.

A few worshippers followed the blue car, only for the men to climb out of the vehicle and attack one of them with a weapon, thought to be a hammer. Police said the 27-year-old victim sustained head injuries.

The two groups fought before the men climbed back into the car and drove away.

In a clip filmed by a witness, one of the alleged attackers can be seen clinging to the car's bonnet in an attempt to get away.

"The suspects returned to their car and left the scene before police arrived," a spokesperson for London's Metropolitan Police said, adding that officers were called to the scene at around 1pm on Friday afternoon. Enquiries are ongoing to trace this vehicle. The suspects are all described as white men, believed to be aged in their 20s."

The London Ambulance Service was called but the 27-year-old victim was driven to an east London hospital by friends instead.

"At hospital, it was established that the victim had sustained a head injury, which was not believed to be serious," the spokesperson added.

"However, he was abusive towards hospital staff, and left the hospital without being treated. Investigations are ongoing and officers have not identified any motive for the attack."

No arrests have yet been made.

The alleged assault occurred the same day 49 Muslims were killed in a terrorist attack at two mosques in New Zealand.

Following the New Zealand attack police officers in the UK stepped up patrols around mosques on Friday.

Officers were deployed to provide reassurance and advice on protective security as Muslims attended Friday prayers around the country.

"Whilst there is no intelligence linking these appalling events in Christchurch to the UK, additional uniform patrols will continue in London and nationally over the coming days, focusing on places of worship and specific communities," Neil Basu, the national policing lead for counter-terrorism, said.

"We are paying specific attention to Mosques, particularly Friday prayers.

"Many communities will be understandably concerned and local officers will be out and about providing reassurance and protective security advice to communities, places of worship and businesses."

Sajid Javid, the Home Secretary, is also due to hold talks with anti-terrorism chiefs and security officials to discuss possible further measures to protect mosques in the UK.

tbh that deserves its own thread. gross behaviour.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Aren't there more Asians than white people in the world?

If there is then I want to change it to levels of terrorism used for my argument.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by parmnion

So why is it that white people for want of a better phrase always get the most anger aimed at them for being what is described as racist these days?

Is it merely down to there being more white people in the world, so by mere numerical supremecy they will always considered to be the most racist due to their colour and perhaps sex n age?


Took me ages to digest your post..thank you.

now let me think

who invaded and colonised most of non-white countries? whites
who treated the indigenous populations as inferior and expoited them? whites
who established slave-trade and supremacist ideologies like nazism? whites

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

now let me think

who invaded and colonised most of non-white countries? whites
who treated the indigenous populations as inferior and expoited them? whites
who established slave-trade and supremacist ideologies like nazism? whites

To blame living whites for these things is like blaming innocent muslims for terrorism.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

To blame living whites for these things is like blaming innocent muslims for terrorism.

Because views like that aren’t at all passed down through generations

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Because views like that aren’t at all passed down through generations

Are you suggesting extreme islam isn't passed down through the generations?

Blaming anyone (be it whites or muslims) for stuff they haven't personally done is deeply stupid.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

To blame living whites for these things is like blaming innocent muslims for terrorism.

look you are white and I am white, but at least I'm not in denial about my race and the undercurrent of superiority among some whites, so evident in our history as a race
it has a long history and it's far from dead,
some would say it's becoming somewhat livelier of late

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

look you are white and I am white, but at least I'm not in denial about my race and the undercurrent of superiority among some whites, so evident in our history as a race
it has a long history and it's far from dead,
some would say it's becoming somewhat livelier of late

History nothing. My history started 27 years ago. I can't personally share the glory of walking on the moon, so I'm not sharing the shame of racists from the past.
Y'know what else has a long history and is far from dead - islamic terror, which (in the West at least) some might say has been "somewhat livelier" in the past few years. That doesn't excuse victimising innocent muslims, and Norman Smith down the road shouldn't have the past of slavery hanging over his head.

[Moniqua]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

now let me think

who invaded and colonised most of non-white countries? whites
who treated the indigenous populations as inferior and expoited them? whites
who established slave-trade and supremacist ideologies like nazism? whites

educate them

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Moniqua

educate them

So by that logic you as an Irish person are responsible for all past IRA atrocities?

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

So by that logic you as an Irish person are responsible for all past IRA atrocities?

Don't really matter, she will be pardoned.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Cherie

So by that logic you as an Irish person are responsible for all past IRA atrocities?

nobody's claiming that so stop

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

now let me think

who invaded and colonised most of non-white countries? whites... is that really true?
who treated the indigenous populations as inferior and expoited them? whites.......We're they the only ones ?+
who established slave-trade and supremacist ideologies like nazism? whites.....can you post proof.

...go away with your baiting facepalm thingy.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by parmnion

...go away with your baiting facepalm thingy.

the emoji is there to be used if appropriate
if you don't like it take it up with the mods

and stop editing my posts! look at the mess in the last post of mine you quoted
I won't be answering to it btw; if you've never heard of colonialism (or pretend you haven't) go and read up

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

the emoji is there to be used if appropriate
if you don't like it take it up with the mods

and stop editing my posts! look at the mess in the last post of mine you quoted
I won't be answering to it btw; if you've never heard of colonialism (or pretend you haven't) go and read up

Only white people did that in your eyes....go fact check your history lesson.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

I won't be answering to it btw; if you've never heard of colonialism (or pretend you haven't) go and read up

Your first mention of colonialism was in reply to this, from Parm: So why is it that white people for want of a better phrase always get the most anger aimed at them for being what is described as racist these days?

Colonialism isn't "these days", it's in the past. May as well blame current muslims for the Ottomon Empire.

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by parmnion

So why is it that white people for want of a better phrase always get the most anger aimed at them for being what is described as racist these days?

Is it merely down to there being more white people in the world, so by mere numerical supremecy they will always considered to be the most racist due to their colour and perhaps sex n age?


Took me ages to digest your post..thank you.

It's less to do with numerical supremacy and more to do with white supremacy. the way we categorise race now is rooted in white supremacy. It was created for that very reason to establish dominance over everybody else. Racial hierarchy was used to justify colonialism, slavery and genocide. while we've moved on as people whiteness is still seen as the norm and everybody else is an other (mind, blacks stay perched right at the bottom).

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

Race isn't biological it's a social construct, we're all human at the end of the day. The idea of race as we know it only came about during the slave trade and later on with the study of eugenics. Irish people were never considered to be white until later on. Even now someones race can differ depending on where they are in the world, a mixed race person in America will still be seen as black while in the uk acknowledge they're mixed more. In Africa theres also a whole load of different ethnic groups that anywhere else in the world would all be seen as black but in their respective countries they view each other as a different races.

This ideology is quite confusing.Race is obviously biological.
How people of different races treat each other though,Yes is sociological.
However tribalism as unpleasant as it can be,is a natural trait.
It’s seen all across the animal kingdom including humans.
It is true to say that tribalism doesn’t just cross racial lines but is also reflected in geographical origin.
Hopefully one day humans will evolve past tribalism if we survive long enough.
But to say race is a social construct is confusing and inaccurate.

[Cherry Christmas]

Inadvertently seen some footage of this that was sent to me on whatapp, those poor people and the absolute terror they must have felt

[The Human Santapede]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Inadvertently seen some footage of this that was sent to me on whatapp, those poor people and the absolute terror they must have felt

Please don’t watch that.

Can’t believe people are actually sharing and watching