[Candy Annie Cane]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Would you even extend that to the accusers themselves? "Make it illegal" for a rape victim to tell people that someone raped them if they weren't convicted for it?

Very slippery slope there, given the undeniable FACT that most rapists are unconvicted, whether you like that statistic or not.

Exactly, I have said before a close family member of mine reported a rape. I took her to the rape crisis centre with the police, I watched as they took picture of the blood on her thighs,the bruising on her arms, held her as she cried, listened to her threats over the coming months to take her own life as ger rapist and his friends threatened her, sat through a court case where every sexual relationship she ever had was questioned, heard the not guilty verdict because she knew her rapist and they could not agree about consent issues, watched as she fell apart once more. Do I now believe her rapist was innocent, do I ****.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Exactly, I have said before a close family member of mine reported a rape. I took her to the rape crisis centre with the police, I watched as they took picture of the blood on her thighs,the bruising on her arms, held her as she cried, listened to her threats over the coming months to take her own life as ger rapist and his friends threatened her, sat through a court case where every sexual relationship she ever had was questioned, heard the not guilty verdict because she knew her rapist and they could not agree about consent issues, watched as she fell apart once more. Do I now believe her rapist was innocent, do I ****.

I am sorry for what happened to your family member Annie and sadly that does happen,but that was someone you know and can see her reaction and know her personally to know she wasn't lying,also looks as though that verdict was wrong,but in this case there is something to be gained from MJ,he has money and is a famous person, he is a stranger to us as is Wade and Robson,also there was a 10 year investigation by high profile authorities as has been documented,and was STILL found not guilty so I tend to err on the laws side in the MJ case as he was scrutinised so much, there are so many hearsays and Chinese whispers in all this ,and if people believe he did it that's up to them but to blatantly say he is a child molester is wrong imo as there really is no proof , His name is tarnished now anyway, same as Cliff Richard,mud sticks even if someone is innocent.But in your friends case that surely wasn't right as she was obviously hurt which should be proof enough of something taking place.

[Candy Annie Cane]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I am sorry for what happened to your family member Annie and sadly that does happen,but that was someone you know and can see her reaction and know her personally to know she wasn't lying,also looks as though that verdict was wrong,but in this case there is something to be gained from MJ,he has money and is a famous person, he is a stranger to us as is Wade and Robson,also there was a 10 year investigation by high profile authorities as has been documented,and was STILL found not guilty so I tend to err on the laws side in the MJ case as he was scrutinised so much, there are so many hearsays and Chinese whispers in all this ,and if people believe he did it that's up to them but to blatantly say he is a child molester is wrong imo as there really is no proof , His name is tarnished now anyway, same as Cliff Richard,mud sticks even if someone is innocent.But in your friends case that surely wasn't right as she was obviously hurt which should be proof enough of something taking place.

Thanks Kaz

It does just prove though how hard it is to get convictions. The jury were shown the pictures of her bruising and bleeding but his team said that was just "rough consensual sex"' I know it wasn't, everyone around her knew it wasn't but the jury couldn't say definitely as there wasn't enough proof and they didn't know her. Which is why I have very little faith in trials such as the one I sat through, or other cases such as MJs. He had the money for the best legal teams who will have every resource at their fingertips and at the end of the day, a jury is just regular joes like you and I who need to be able to say unanimously the crime happened and that just isn't always possible, as in the case I sat through.

Anyway, as you say, people will believe what they want and have researched themselves. It's good to discuss things rationally

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Thanks Kaz

It does just prove though how hard it is to get convictions. The jury were shown the pictures of her bruising and bleeding but his team said that was just "rough consensual sex"' I know it wasn't, everyone around her knew it wasn't but the jury couldn't say definitely as there wasn't enough proof and they didn't know her. Which is why I have very little faith in trials such as the one I sat through, or other cases such as MJs. He had the money for the best legal teams who will have every resource at their fingertips and at the end of the day, a jury is just regular joes like you and I who need to be able to say unanimously the crime happened and that just isn't always possible, as in the case I sat through.

Anyway, as you say, people will believe what they want and have researched themselves. It's good to discuss things rationally

Exactly Annie.Hope your friend is ok now.

[Cherry Christmas]

59 pages, that has to be some kind of TiBB record