[Beso]

Funded by the uks latest lottery winner....TIBB OWN, Kaz..the diamond in our eyes.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

You said that about Cliff Richards Chuff,he was also found not guilty,it cant be the 'laws' fault all the time surely.

Cliff wasn't even arrested Kazanne.
He just went and talked to Police.

No charges, nothing to answer to.

It really is incredible we bother to have a law system at all.
It seems it's felt some public opinion should just be gathered.
Ignoring all law verdict on people some don't like.
Even if they've never been arrested even like Cliff.

Thanks by the way.
Don't though please open yourself up to getting any grief on my part.
You've had far more than enough, unnecessary too, to contend with already.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Cliff wasn't even arrested Kazanne.
He just went and talked to Police.

No charges, nothing to answer to.

It really is incredible we bother to have a law system at all.
It seems it's felt some public opinion should just be gathered.
Ignoring all law verdict on people some don't like.
Even if they've never been arrested even like Cliff.

Thanks by the way.
Don't though please open yourself up to getting any grief on my part.
You've had far more than enough, unnecessary too, to contend with already.

Of course we need Law and Order....but as you well know Joey just because the verdict is Not Guilty doesn’t always mean someone isn’t...it just means they didn’t have enough proof to prove guilt.

[Beso]

I just ask myself why, why would grown men in thier 40s/50s suddenly start accusing cliff Richard. ..I've spoke to them face to face...they really come across as genuine as they sound.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yep and even Corey Feldman who testified that he didn't abuse him (which I believe btw as Corey is a victim of child sexual abuse and has no difficulty speaking about it) says he showed him porn at age 13...... that is saying that his relationships with kids were not pure and innocent at all

Oh really ?? Well that's funny because I've never heard that from Corey's MOUTH ! , but I guess because you read it then it must be true?

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

BOTH paedophiles so fine to be compared

ONLY Saville WAS , but once again you enjoy jumping to conclusions about MJ & Cliff despite them both being cleared and no evidence being found to incriminate them .

In this society people are damned if they do and damned if they don't

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

ONLY Saville WAS , but once again you enjoy jumping to conclusions about MJ & Cliff despite them both being cleared and no evidence being found to incriminate them .

In this society people are damned if they do and damned if they don't

Well said Goldheart, clearly the law means not a thing on here.

We really would live in a sad and in fact extremely dangerous society, where without any rule or protection in law.
People could just brand anyone, celebrity or otherwise, as something so serious as a paedophile, publicly too.
As on here a public forum.

Opening them up to possible kangaroo style courts and judgements and mob vigilantes.

With no recorded substantiated evidence against them.
It seems even here it's actually encouraged to do so.

One thing I'd do in law if I was ever asked to bring a new law in.
It would be to make it an actual crime to publicly brand anyone something they have not been proven to be.

I'm done on this thread.
Frankly, it now disgusts me as to the false accusations made as fact.
Truly awful.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Oh really ?? Well that's funny because I've never heard that from Corey's MOUTH ! , but I guess because you read it then it must be true?

He testified to it in court

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

He testified to it in court

What you talking about ?? . Every time i see Corey TALKING about MJ he's NEVER EVER mentioned anything inappropriate happening . He's always defended MJ strongly , he said a few times that he recorded conversations they had together and how innocent it was.

He also said MJ was very shy and you couldn't curse or talk about anything sexual around him as MJ himself was not like that. So if MJ was showing him all these explicit things then why would Corey defend Mj's character and respect him if he was showing him those things?? . Once again doesn't make sense .

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well said Goldheart, clearly the law means not a thing on here.

We really would live in a sad and in fact extremely dangerous society, where without any rule or protection in law.
People could just brand anyone, celebrity or otherwise, as something so serious as a paedophile, publicly too.
As on here a public forum.

Opening them up to possible kangaroo style courts and judgements and mob vigilantes.

With no recorded substantiated evidence against them.
It seems even here it's actually encouraged to do so.

One thing I'd do in law if I was ever asked to bring a new law in.
It would be to make it an actual crime to publicly brand anyone something they have not been proven to be.

I'm done on this thread.
Frankly, it now disgusts me as to the false accusations made as fact.
Truly awful.

Yeah Now in this modern culture , especially with metoo movement it appears anyone can be accused of these serious accusations with nothing to back it up which is extremely damaging . And it seems to be "Guilty until proven innocent" or in MJ's case a mixture of people no matter what thinking he's guilty as he was portrayed for years as the "weird guy" , and other people think he;s innocent using facts to debunk it.

But i think if MJ was alive today then the Leaving Neverland film WOULDN'T exist and wade & James wouldn't of made these allegations towards him, as him being alive would change their plans .

Conveniently after he's been dead 10 years that's when they make this film and try to sue the estate, and in their messed up heads seem to think the Jackson estate should be held accountable for their alleged child abuse , which again makes no sense . And it all just seem's like greed and all about money .

[user104658]

Would you even extend that to the accusers themselves? "Make it illegal" for a rape victim to tell people that someone raped them if they weren't convicted for it?

Very slippery slope there, given the undeniable FACT that most rapists are unconvicted, whether you like that statistic or not.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

What you talking about ?? . Every time i see Corey TALKING about MJ he's NEVER EVER mentioned anything inappropriate happening . .

In the interview with "20/20" correspondent Martin Bashir — whose documentary "Living With Michael Jackson" helped spark the investigation against the pop star — Bashir asks, "Were you ever shown any images that were inappropriate?" Feldman responds, "If you consider it inappropriate for a man to look at a book of naked pictures with a child that's 13 or 14 years old, then your answer would be yes."

One example, Feldman said, was that Jackson had a book on his coffee table about "venereal diseases and the genitalia," which the singer would show him pictures in and "discuss what those meant."

"I was kind of grossed out by it," Feldman said. "I didn't think of it as a big deal. And for all these years, I probably never thought twice about it. But in light of recent evidence, I have to say that if my son was 14 years old, 13 years old, and went to a man's apartment, and I knew that they were sitting down together talking about this, I would probably beat his ass."

He quite clearly says that it happened, but it seems he didn't think there was any sexual overtone to it and that MJ just probably didn't realise that it was inappropriate to show him those books. So it wasn't exactly "looking at porn", obviously, but a definite example of him failing to understand boundaries.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Would you even extend that to the accusers themselves? "Make it illegal" for a rape victim to tell people that someone raped them if they weren't convicted for it?

Very slippery slope there, given the undeniable FACT that most rapists are unconvicted, whether you like that statistic or not.

Exactly, I have said before a close family member of mine reported a rape. I took her to the rape crisis centre with the police, I watched as they took picture of the blood on her thighs,the bruising on her arms, held her as she cried, listened to her threats over the coming months to take her own life as ger rapist and his friends threatened her, sat through a court case where every sexual relationship she ever had was questioned, heard the not guilty verdict because she knew her rapist and they could not agree about consent issues, watched as she fell apart once more. Do I now believe her rapist was innocent, do I ****.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Exactly, I have said before a close family member of mine reported a rape. I took her to the rape crisis centre with the police, I watched as they took picture of the blood on her thighs,the bruising on her arms, held her as she cried, listened to her threats over the coming months to take her own life as ger rapist and his friends threatened her, sat through a court case where every sexual relationship she ever had was questioned, heard the not guilty verdict because she knew her rapist and they could not agree about consent issues, watched as she fell apart once more. Do I now believe her rapist was innocent, do I ****.

I am sorry for what happened to your family member Annie and sadly that does happen,but that was someone you know and can see her reaction and know her personally to know she wasn't lying,also looks as though that verdict was wrong,but in this case there is something to be gained from MJ,he has money and is a famous person, he is a stranger to us as is Wade and Robson,also there was a 10 year investigation by high profile authorities as has been documented,and was STILL found not guilty so I tend to err on the laws side in the MJ case as he was scrutinised so much, there are so many hearsays and Chinese whispers in all this ,and if people believe he did it that's up to them but to blatantly say he is a child molester is wrong imo as there really is no proof , His name is tarnished now anyway, same as Cliff Richard,mud sticks even if someone is innocent.But in your friends case that surely wasn't right as she was obviously hurt which should be proof enough of something taking place.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

I am sorry for what happened to your family member Annie and sadly that does happen,but that was someone you know and can see her reaction and know her personally to know she wasn't lying,also looks as though that verdict was wrong,but in this case there is something to be gained from MJ,he has money and is a famous person, he is a stranger to us as is Wade and Robson,also there was a 10 year investigation by high profile authorities as has been documented,and was STILL found not guilty so I tend to err on the laws side in the MJ case as he was scrutinised so much, there are so many hearsays and Chinese whispers in all this ,and if people believe he did it that's up to them but to blatantly say he is a child molester is wrong imo as there really is no proof , His name is tarnished now anyway, same as Cliff Richard,mud sticks even if someone is innocent.But in your friends case that surely wasn't right as she was obviously hurt which should be proof enough of something taking place.

Thanks Kaz

It does just prove though how hard it is to get convictions. The jury were shown the pictures of her bruising and bleeding but his team said that was just "rough consensual sex"' I know it wasn't, everyone around her knew it wasn't but the jury couldn't say definitely as there wasn't enough proof and they didn't know her. Which is why I have very little faith in trials such as the one I sat through, or other cases such as MJs. He had the money for the best legal teams who will have every resource at their fingertips and at the end of the day, a jury is just regular joes like you and I who need to be able to say unanimously the crime happened and that just isn't always possible, as in the case I sat through.

Anyway, as you say, people will believe what they want and have researched themselves. It's good to discuss things rationally

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Thanks Kaz

It does just prove though how hard it is to get convictions. The jury were shown the pictures of her bruising and bleeding but his team said that was just "rough consensual sex"' I know it wasn't, everyone around her knew it wasn't but the jury couldn't say definitely as there wasn't enough proof and they didn't know her. Which is why I have very little faith in trials such as the one I sat through, or other cases such as MJs. He had the money for the best legal teams who will have every resource at their fingertips and at the end of the day, a jury is just regular joes like you and I who need to be able to say unanimously the crime happened and that just isn't always possible, as in the case I sat through.

Anyway, as you say, people will believe what they want and have researched themselves. It's good to discuss things rationally

Exactly Annie.Hope your friend is ok now.

[Cherie]

59 pages, that has to be some kind of TiBB record

[Kazanne]

Here's some more informative videos exposing Wade & James especially Wade

Youtube video

Youtube video

Youtube video

[Beso]

Tin foil hats

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Here's some more informative videos exposing Wade & James especially Wade

Youtube video

Youtube video

Youtube video

I bet people won't pay attention to these videos exposing them

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

He quite clearly says that it happened, but it seems he didn't think there was any sexual overtone to it and that MJ just probably didn't realise that it was inappropriate to show him those books. So it wasn't exactly "looking at porn", obviously, but a definite example of him failing to understand boundaries.

Should of known Bashir would be behind this , that 2 faced journalist has been twisting stories of mj for a while. He said one thing to mj then behind his back he slagged him off . How sly is that . He also badly edited his docu to make mj look weird.

Mj had his own camera man that caught information that Bashir conveniently cut out .

[user104658]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I bet people won't pay attention to these videos exposing them

I certainly wont; as I said before, the videos that have been linked to before have been a complete waste of time and to be frank these look even worse.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I certainly wont; as I said before, the videos that have been linked to before have been a complete waste of time and to be frank these look even worse.

The videos are facts & have proper research . Yet people would rather watch a mockumentary with contradictions & inconsistencies and in the 4 hours graphic abuse details oh lovely .

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Here's some more informative videos exposing Wade & James especially Wade

Youtube video

Youtube video

Youtube video

I dont remember him burning anything in the videos maybe I switched off beforehand, but if he burned the Thriller jacket that is well dodgy as its just for dramatic effect

[Epic.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I dont remember him burning anything in the videos maybe I switched off beforehand, but if he burned the Thriller jacket that is well dodgy as its just for dramatic effect

It was shown occuring in the end credits