[Nicky91]

https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2019/0...all-for-a-ban/

activists in Netherlands call for a ban on this

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placed the pictures in spoilers, for those who might find it too shocking or get too emotional from these horrible places the animals live in

Wakker Dier defines a mega factory farm as one in which large numbers of animals live in one or more barns – in total at least 7,500 pigs, 120,000 laying hens, 220,000 broiler chickens, 2,500 veal calves or 1,500 goats.

the statistics of the numbers how many animals live in one or more barns

[arista]

Your Food Bill will go up without them
its a Food Factory

[Niamh.]

It's disgusting how we treat animals

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by arista

Your Food Bill will go up without them
its a Food Factory

yes, but you also have animal friendly farms, where they live a good life, a lot outside too


cause with these giant factory farms they don't let them outside

[bots]

[Livia]

I don't know what it's going to take to make people realise there are too many people. Maybe David Attenborough, showing us some pictures of million of people dying of hunger, and then pleading with people to have no more than two children.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't know what it's going to take to make people realise there are too many people. Maybe David Attenborough, showing us some pictures of million of people dying of hunger, and then pleading with people to have no more than two children.

Speaking of David Attenborough, he did make a comment on that before, not sure if you saw that video but his opinion was countries where women had control over their own reproductive systems, populations where decreasing and massiverly the opposite where they didn't.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Speaking of David Attenborough, he did make a comment on that before, not sure if you saw that video but his opinion was countries where women had control over their own reproductive systems, populations where decreasing and massiverly the opposite where they didn't.

Oooo no, I didn't see that. He got that information from reading my posts I reckon.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Oooo no, I didn't see that. He got that information from reading my posts I reckon.

haha, I'll try to find that video later and post it

[bots]

Atty has a brand new series out on netflix in ultra hd - its stunning ... all about the environment

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Speaking of David Attenborough, he did make a comment on that before, not sure if you saw that video but his opinion was countries where women had control over their own reproductive systems, populations where decreasing and massiverly the opposite where they didn't.

yes i saw that one

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Atty has a brand new series out on netflix in ultra hd - its stunning ... all about the environment

They should make him president of the world.

[smudgie]

My opinion is that it is disgusting.
Churning out cheaper food by treating animals so badly is just wrong.

[Liam-]

I don’t buy anything that isn’t free range, the thought of those factories makes my stomach churn

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I don’t buy anything that isn’t free range, the thought of those factories makes my stomach churn

A friend of mine was dealing with a "free range" farmer through work one time and he told her that free range guidelines are pretty misleading. people imagine chickens running free on farms all day, when in fact to qualify (and charge much more for the eggs and meat) as free range, they only have to have the chickens outside for a small percentage of time everyday so alot of times free range isn't much better. i was really disappointed to learn that. (This was in Ireland, not sure if it's the same rules in Britain or not)

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

A friend of mine was dealing with a "free range" farmer through work one time and he told her that free range guidelines are pretty misleading. people imagine chickens running free on farms all day, when in fact to qualify (and charge much more for the eggs and meat) as free range, they only have to have the chickens outside for a small percentage of time everyday so alot of times free range isn't much better. i was really disappointed to learn that. (This was in Ireland, not sure if it's the same rules in Britain or not)

Erm, thats news to me

I also only buy free range, because I kind of thought they were..well free range!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Erm, thats news to me

I also only buy free range, because I kind of thought they were..well free range!

I know, me too, she literally only told me that a couple of weeks back. I mean it's still better than not free range but doesn't sound like it's that much better or as good as i thought

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

A friend of mine was dealing with a "free range" farmer through work one time and he told her that free range guidelines are pretty misleading. people imagine chickens running free on farms all day, when in fact to qualify (and charge much more for the eggs and meat) as free range, they only have to have the chickens outside for a small percentage of time everyday so alot of times free range isn't much better. i was really disappointed to learn that. (This was in Ireland, not sure if it's the same rules in Britain or not)

yes this is true, here when they label certain foods as organical (vegetables without pesticides on them against lice and other contaminating bugs) and charge a lot more for it, while quality from normal vegetables or organical isn't much difference from the grocery store

i already have fruits from my own garden, and now also since recent years more vegetables than before, it is also quite good quality and cheaper when you grow it yourself in your garden

strawberries for example, in the store they are soooo dense and lacking flavour, while homegrown they are great texture and lots, lots of flavour

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

A friend of mine was dealing with a "free range" farmer through work one time and he told her that free range guidelines are pretty misleading. people imagine chickens running free on farms all day, when in fact to qualify (and charge much more for the eggs and meat) as free range, they only have to have the chickens outside for a small percentage of time everyday so alot of times free range isn't much better. i was really disappointed to learn that. (This was in Ireland, not sure if it's the same rules in Britain or not)

Oh

Better than nothing I suppose

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

yes this is true, here when they label certain foods as organical (vegetables without pesticides on them against lice and other contaminating bugs) and charge a lot more for it, while quality from normal vegetables or organical isn't much difference from the grocery store

i already have fruits from my own garden, and now also since recent years more vegetables than before, it is also quite good quality and cheaper when you grow it yourself in your garden

strawberries for example, in the store they are soooo dense and lacking flavour, while homegrown they are great texture and lots, lots of flavour

I'm planning on doing a small vegetable patch in my garden this summer too Nicky

[Kazanne]

It's vile all of it , apparently chickens are the worst treated of all the animals , but the gross goings on ,on those farms is disgusting and inhumane , we will pay for our terrible treatment of animals infact I'm quite sure it's already started . we are too arrogant to ever learn.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'm planning on doing a small vegetable patch in my garden this summer too Nicky

Alex is planning to grow veg this year. I predict it's never going to happen. Unless the process includes some kind of computer program or video game, or it encompasses hitting a ball with a bat, there's no way....

I buy my eggs from a farm where the chickens are so free range they try to get in the car with you when you leave.

[Cherie]

There are some horrendous practices out there

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Alex is planning to grow veg this year. I predict it's never going to happen. Unless the process includes some kind of computer program or video game, or it encompasses hitting a ball with a bat, there's no way....

I buy my eggs from a farm where the chickens are so free range they try to get in the car with you when you leave.

Yeah, that's the only way to get proper free range it seems, if you buy local from a place you know. I'm going to look into finding somewhere like that

I bought all my seeds already but haven't made a start on it yet but I'm definitely going to do it!

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah, that's the only way to get proper free range it seems, if you buy local from a place you know. I'm going to look into finding somewhere like that

I bought all my seeds already but haven't made a start on it yet but I'm definitely going to do it!

I have no doubt you will do it Niamh. Maybe I'll have a go another year, because it's definitely not happening this year. I grew runner beans one year, I was dizzy from my own success... and they tasted amazing! It is satisfying to eat something you've grown even though I've only done it once.

My friend has a couple of rescued factory hens. They were really shabby when he got them with lots of bald patches. Now they live in a lovely fenced in garden with their own little house and the eggs taste amazing. I would quite like to do that. Have rescued chickens, not lay eggs.