[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Erm I don't think that and have never thought that. I think most were misinformed but it IS mainly leavers I know who regret their vote as they were convinced we would have trade deals and such as..well thats what they were told Hell, right after the results leavers were already fighting among themselves for 'soft' or 'hard' brexit, so they were clearly voting on two seperate things in reality...soft brexit..from what I have seen appears to be wanting the good without the bad. Trade deals with no immigration, that kind of thing.

It just get's better. By saying they never believed this or never believed that, then they just reveal themselves as the most easily duped and ignorant voting bloc in the history of the country.

They believed nothing, but when you point out it must have been for xenophobic anti-immigration reasons they have a fit about that too.

They are basically saying that they voted for something for absolutely no reason, without any understanding of why it would be a benefit but want you to take them seriously. I mean c'mon, this is just primary school levels of wish fulfillment.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

It just get's better. By saying they never believed this or never believed that, then they just reveal themselves as the most easily duped and ignorant voting bloc in the history of the country.

They believed nothing, but when you point out it must have been for xenophobic anti-immigration reasons they have a fit about that too.

They are basically saying that they voted for something for absolutely no reason, without any understanding of why it would be a benefit but want you to take them seriously. I mean c'mon, this is just primary school levels of wish fulfillment.

I don't think thats fair tbh. Some voted for reasons other than falling for the lies or being xenophobic.

Though I have to say, in my 'friendship/family' group..it was mainly either falling for the lies or it being about immigration. Along with a fair few who voted to leave while believing pie in the sky 'no immigration or fees, but keep trade deals' stuff whcih was clearly ridiculous.

I mean, I don't pretend I even knew what I was voting for, should have looked up more at the time but was kind of put off the whole thing by all the obvious bull**** that people were falling for, along with the fact that the vote itself seemed to make some people think that it was now fine to be openly racist (again, not calling all leavers racist, but its undeniable that many took it as license to be..loud with ignorant views) It all just made me turn off. Also, again I feel the need to point out that obviously not everyone who had immigration as part of the reason for their vote was being xenophobic or whatever, some were genuine. But a fair few..were basically just like 'get the ****ers out!!!!' (which again was not going to bloody happen either..)

So I voted on better the devil you know really. Rather than being totally informed. I didn't even know on the morning I voted which way I was going to go! But decided that the leave side was just telling more lies, and I would rather no change at all than..possibly totally ****ing the country. Of course it could have really benefitted us, still a slim possibility that it might. But in hindsight, I am fairly sure I made the right call.

Just get so frustrated with it all. And how some people on my life have changed for the worse. Or not changed really, just..showed a hidden side of themselves. And how it seems to be denied that this happens.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I don't think thats fair tbh. Some voted for reasons other than falling for the lies or being xenophobic.

Though I have to say, in my 'friendship/family' group..it was mainly either falling for the lies or it being about immigration. Along with a fair few who voted to leave while believing pie in the sky 'no immigration or fees, but keep trade deals' stuff whcih was clearly ridiculous.

I mean, I don't pretend I even knew what I was voting for, should have looked up more at the time but was kind of put off the whole thing by all the obvious bull**** that people were falling for, along with the fact that the vote itself seemed to make some people think that it was now fine to be openly racist (again, not calling all leavers racist, but its undeniable that many took it as license to be..loud with ignorant views) It all just made me turn off. Also, again I feel the need to point out that obviously not everyone who had immigration as part of the reason for their vote was being xenophobic or whatever, some were genuine. But a fair few..were basically just like 'get the ****ers out!!!!' (which again was not going to bloody happen either..)

So I voted on better the devil you know really. Rather than being totally informed. I didn't even know on the morning I voted which way I was going to go! But decided that the leave side was just telling more lies, and I would rather no change at all than..possibly totally ****ing the country. Of course it could have really benefitted us, still a slim possibility that it might. But in hindsight, I am fairly sure I made the right call.

Just get so frustrated with it all. And how some people on my life have changed for the worse. Or not changed really, just..showed a hidden side of themselves. And how it seems to be denied that this happens.

That's completely fair. It's far friendlier than I'm capable of being around this issue these days. I do disagree with you, and you sort of disagree with yourself in the 2nd paragraph, but you have the self awareness to acknowledge it

You're part of the electorate, it's not your job to understand everything, it's the job of politicians trying to earn your vote to explain what is important and why. Here we have though a group of people that won't admit to believing the lies (your friends/family seem like an exception), won't admit to believing anything, won't admit to being xenophobic, and yet they still want to be taken seriously and not mocked.

And to be clear, I'm not mocking people who didn't know everything about everything to do with the referendum (otherwise I'd be attacking myself), i'm mocking those people that still pretend there is some lofty goal to be achieved with this whole mess, while trying to intellectualise themselves into a defence about not believing anything.

Your position and vote actually makes the most sense in the lead up to the referendum, but we're way past the point of making excuses for the willfully uninformed.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

That's completely fair. It's far friendlier than I'm capable of being around this issue these days. I do disagree with you, and you sort of disagree with yourself in the 2nd paragraph, but you have the self awareness to acknowledge it

I do agree with most of what you say. I disagree with the way its made out to be pretty much all leave voters are either duped or racist. Not all. Many, but not all.

I know its ****ing annoying when people get all 'not all X are like that!' in response to stuff, as obviously noone means literally every person. But..I feel the need to answer it as if you actually meant every single one, as thats how people who voted leave read it. If that makes sense at all? Getting a bit garbled I think!

Here we have though a group of people that won't admit to believing the lies (your friends/family seem like an exception), won't admit to believing anything, won't admit to being xenophobic, and yet they still want to be taken seriously and not mocked.

I do agree with this on a group level. Its quite bizarre.

(The only ones I know who do admit to believing the lies, are the ones who are very vocal about how they would vote otherwise knowing what they know now)