[user104658]

Comparing it to racism as well . Really Dezzy? You've scraped right through the barrel and into the pavement.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Comparing it to racism as well . Really Dezzy? You've scraped right through the barrel and into the pavement.

I see that comment went over your head completely.

I'm not comparing it to racism, I'm comparing the old saying that racists often use when they say 'I'm not racist but *Enter racist statement here*'. You said you're not anti-vaxx but you sound very anti-vaxx.

Do you understand now? Need anything else explained to you while I'm here?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I see that comment went over your head completely.



I'm not comparing it to racism, I'm comparing the old saying that racists often use when they say 'I'm not racist but *Enter racist statement here*'. You said you're not anti-vaxx but you sound very anti-vaxx.



Do you understand now? Need anything else explained to you while I'm here?

I sound anti-vaxx because I don't want to play into the patronising lie that vaccinations are risk free, despite clearly explaining that I have vaccinated my children, advocate vaccination of children, and clearly have laid out that the risks that exist are smaller than the risks of not vaccinating? OK champ.

I think I'll avoid your explanations since your comprehension here is based in typical tabloid style "outrage nonsense". Not one iota of substance. Meh.

[Cherry Christmas]

I agree with everything you said TS, I believe it should be parental choice, at the moment if feels like parents are being pressured by government and other parents into putting something into their children's bodies they are not keen on. No body should be under pressure to do anything to their bodies they are not comfortable with. Like the uptake of the flu jab, we were routinely offered it at the special school I used to work at, I never took it up but some people felt pressured to do so as they felt they would be singled out if they got the flu, even though you are only vaccinated for the type that is more likely to be around that year and there are many variations of flu

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I agree with everything you said TS, I believe it should be parental choice, at the moment if feels like parents are being pressured by government and other parents into putting something into their children's bodies they are not keen on.

Yes, plus that doesn't even work! It just makes people even more determined to stick to their guns. If people just calmly explained the REAL risk balance between vaccinating and not vaccinating, I think more people would actually be swayed.

At the moment it's

"Vaccines are a miracle that will 100% protect your kids forever!"

vs

"If you don't vaccinate your kids they will probably die so you are guilty of child abuse".


... Both a load of balls

[Ammi]

....hmmmm I have never heard anyone advocate vaccines as 100% miracle type thing...the risks have always been informed and it’s always being a weighing up of these things and the possibilities if the vaccine is decided against...really, no medical person would ever say if your child is not vaccinated they WILL die...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

....hmmmm I have never heard anyone advocate vaccines as 100% miracle type thing...the risks have always been informed and it’s always being a weighing up of these things and the possibilities if the vaccine is decided against...really, no medical person would ever say if your child is not vaccinated they WILL die...

The UK is still far more reasonable about the issue than the US. A lot of the online rhetoric is US-lead.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I sound anti-vaxx because I don't want to play into the patronising lie that vaccinations are risk free, despite clearly explaining that I have vaccinated my children, advocate vaccination of children, and clearly have laid out that the risks that exist are smaller than the risks of not vaccinating? OK champ.

I think I'll avoid your explanations since your comprehension here is based in typical tabloid style "outrage nonsense". Not one iota of substance. Meh.

I thought you were better than this tbh, how disappointing.

Vaccinations hold far less risk than the illnesses they protect against and by doing what you're doing, you're giving anti-vaxxers an inch so they can take a mile. It doesn't matter if you vaccinated your kids if you are giving these people ammunition to spread their ignorance.

We shouldn't encourage people's igorance, TS.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I thought you were better than this tbh, how disappointing.



Vaccinations hold far less risk than the illnesses they protect against

Yes I've said that several times.

and by doing what you're doing, you're giving anti-vaxxers an inch so they can take a mile. It doesn't matter if you vaccinated your kids if you are giving these people ammunition to spread their ignorance.

No. Lying about it is patronising, counter-productive, authoritarian and draconian. It does nothing but bolster the mistrust in the establishment and cause people to dig their heels in. Proper, open, truthful weighing up of the benefits and drawbacks are all that is required, and frankly all that is acceptable.

We shouldn't encourage people's igorance, TS.

No we shouldn't and that's why I'm completely unwilling to accept your orwellian stance that unvaccinated children from secure, loving homes should be stripped for their families and placed into care. Just horrendous ignorance is all that can be said for that.