[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Livia

Do you know that Muslim men in Whitechapel have a history of telling white women that they are inappropriately dressed in a country where women's rights have been hard fought for? No one's bothered if women want to wear other articles of faith, headscarf, for example, but women being required to cover themselves belongs waaay back in the dark ages.

Tell that to orthodox Jews in golders green or Stamford
It's part of religious observance for some.
As long as it's not coercive I don't care

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Matthew.

Oh yeah I get that, but do we really think that’s the reason why Chuff wants them banned?

I agree with Chuff that they should be banned, like they are in France. When my brother was studying he was a dispatch rider in London. He was never allowed anywhere with his crash helmet on. It's the same thing. In a religion that subjugates women like Islam does, I doubt anything is ever brought about for the sake of the women, particularly the rule that they have to be completely covered. However, this is a man-made rule, it says nothing in the Quran about the burka or any other kind of restrictive clothing for women, only that men and women should dress modestly.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Tell that to orthodox Jews in golders green or Stamford
It's part of religious observance for some.
As long as it's not coercive I don't care

How many Jews have you seen in Golders Green with their face covered?

Or have you only mentioned this for me? Because this thread is about the burka.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Livia

How many Jews have you seen in Golders Green with their face covered?

Or have you only mentioned this for me? Because this thread is about the burka.

Not face.
It was in reply to your comment about middle ages.
I heard that in today's Jerusalem it is not safe for women to go into orthodox neighbourhoods with uncovered arms or legs

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

It mystifies me that Muslims who insist on women covering their face in a country where women have fought for freedom, would want to live here at all.

Doctors should be able to refuse to treat people rather than risk their career being marred by an investigation.

Yes, because a doctor refusing to treat patients based on their race, religion or anything else isn't problematic at all.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yes, because a doctor refusing to treat patients based on their race, religion or anything else isn't problematic at all.

Is that what happened, Marshy?

Are you sure?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Is that what happened, Marshy?

Are you sure?

I didn't say that's what happened, you just suggested a doctor should be able to turn patients away. Again, that's not problematic at all.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Not face.
It was in reply to your comment about middle ages.
I heard that in today's Jerusalem it is not safe for women to go into orthodox neighbourhoods with uncovered arms or legs

You heard that, did you? Maybe you should go and see for yourself. I think you'd be surprised. And of course, women can vote in Israel, the one democracy in the Middle East, even Palestinian woman in Israel can vote.

Again, this thread is about the burka, and it's about the UK. Not Jerusalem. Are you only dragging Jews into it because of your dislike of me? I'd find a more rewarding hobby.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I didn't say that's what happened, you just suggested a doctor should be able to turn patients away. Again, that's not problematic at all.

Oh ffs Marshy...

How come it's only ever men in here bemoaning the rights of women to be able to cover themselves from head to toe, while that instruction appears nowhere in the Quran?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Oh ffs Marshy...

How come it's only ever men in here bemoaning the rights of women to be able to cover themselves from head to toe, while that instruction appears nowhere in the Quran?

I'd like you to show me where I said anything about women covering head to toe being written in the Quran? To save you some time, I didn't.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Alf

His action was to suggest she remove her face veil, because he thought it would help communication. She had the choice to say yes or no. I don't see the crime in a suggestion.

Thats EXACTLY what happened

[Tom4784]

I've got nothing but doubts about the doctor's story. It doesn't really add up and I reckon it's more than likely he did something inappropriate.