[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The world is full of horrible people, it always has been, just that now we are more aware because of people posting videos every 5 minutes, they would rather pick up their phone so they have something to guffaw over with their friends or post so people will be outraged than actually engage with the other person, or give them a hand if they are being hurt or worse, we all love a good row on the internet, reality TV is never any good unless there are people pulling lumps out of each other.. its easy to say oh Brexit enabled them, or Trump enabled them but in reality they were always enabled because that is the way they are made

Absolutely fascinating post. So much going here but first the bit in bold as it relates directly to the thread.

In both of the vids posted, the person doing the filming, for the outrage of the internet, was the one being abused or attacked. How exactly could that person have 'engaged' in each of these scenarios?

Do you think these types of attacks were at the same level as, say, ten years ago but its just that now more are being filmed ? I dont recall White Supremacists praising any other recent President. I dont recall shouts of 'send her back' at rallys by any other recent president or candidate. Such a mindset should not be encouraged however Donnie laps it up. Even though I'd like to share your view that this is just something that has always been around; the US president spouting such rhetoric hasnt always been around and it can only lead to an emboldening of such a mindset.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Less of the old.

Bollocks
its due to her being old
that makes her a Racist


Of Course to be fair
Many other old folks are Not racist.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Absolutely fascinating post. So much going here but first the bit in bold as it relates directly to the thread.

In both of the vids posted, the person doing the filming, for the outrage of the internet, was the one being abused or attacked. How exactly could that person have 'engaged' in each of these scenarios?

Do you think these types of attacks were at the same level as, say, ten years ago but its just that now more are being filmed ? I dont recall White Supremacists praising any other recent President. I dont recall shouts of 'send her back' at rallys by any other recent president or candidate. Such a mindset should not be encouraged however Donnie laps it up. Even though I'd like to share your view that this is just something that has always been around; the US president spouting such rhetoric hasnt always been around and it can only lead to an emboldening of such a mindset.

It depends what your definition of White Supremacy is?

If name calling is White supremecy, then you might have something.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Alf

It depends what your definition of White Supremacy is?

If name calling is White supremecy, then you might have something.

I'm referring to the known White Supremacist leaders and organisers who agreed with Trumps tweet about the four democratic congress members.

There has already been an attempt to play this down as - people liking tweets - Trump announces National and Global policies on twitter.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The world is full of horrible people, it always has been, just that now we are more aware because of people posting videos every 5 minutes, they would rather pick up their phone so they have something to guffaw over with their friends or post so people will be outraged than actually engage with the other person, or give them a hand if they are being hurt or worse, we all love a good row on the internet, reality TV is never any good unless there are people pulling lumps out of each other.. its easy to say oh Brexit enabled them, or Trump enabled them but in reality they were always enabled because that is the way they are made

Then that would be ignoring the evidence, the incidents of racially aggrivated abuse in the uk have increased exponentially since brexit. Nobody is suggesting it didn't happen previously, obviously it did but to say that specifically brexit hasn't had an impact in this area is wrong.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Alf

It depends what your definition of White Supremacy is?

If name calling is White supremecy, then you might have something.

If jigaboo and N***** is a bit of harmless name calling, then you might have something.

Spoiler:

It's not, and you don't.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

If jigaboo and N***** is a bit of harmless name calling, then you might have something.

Spoiler:

It's not, and you don't.

But is it supremecy?

[Ammi]

...bigotry, prejudice, racism, anti semitism etc...none of it is inherent, it has to be planted and it has to be nurtured...a huge part of that is the dehumanisation that we’ve seen in recent years...the dehumanisation of Mexicans ...the dehumanisation of immigrants in the Calais crises...close our borders, keep them out...build walls, keep them out...!!!...it’s all a dehumanisation that’s been happening and Trump is very much a part of that...he’s not the sole, single reason for anything ...but he plays a part and one that is very key...which no other USA President before him has done...?...these things have to be discussed...and not just ...oh no, not another vid or whatever and why can’t we have nice vids...because it’s the only way the we can move forward as people ..the only way we can move away from prejudice is to try to understand its causes ...to understand it and to not excuse it ...and to understand how the holy heck in 2019, have we found ourselves here...with racial prejudice growing, it seems...these incidents have to happen for them to be constantly recorded...

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Alf

But is it supremecy?

Considering the origin of those words is slavery, then the power of common sense explains anyone who thinks a whole race of people are inferior and can be used as animals, has supremacy issues, yes.

This guy knew what he was doing and to what race of people he was doing it to.

I know we don't agree on much when it comes to racial issues but if you were frustrated in a post office, I would never think you'd hit them with those words. To say those things in 2019 you have to really want to say them with every fibre of your being.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Considering the origin of those words is slavery, then the power of common sense explains anyone who thinks a whole race of people are inferior and can be used as animals, has supremacy issues, yes.

This guy knew what he was doing and to what race of people he was doing it to.

I know we don't agree on much when it comes to racial issues but if you were frustrated in a post office, I would never think you'd hit them with those words. To say those things in 2019 you have to really want to say them with every fibre of your being.

Of course I wouldn't, most people wouldn't. But some do react, even non White people can be abusive to people.

The guy is obviously a dick, most people think he's a dick, and most of us have our own sh!t to deal with, without having to worry about some dick.

Is he a White supremisist? I'm not convinced yet.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...bigotry, prejudice, racism, anti semitism etc...none of it is inherent, it has to be planted and it has to be nurtured...a huge part of that is the dehumanisation that we’ve seen in recent years...the dehumanisation of Mexicans ...the dehumanisation of immigrants in the Calais crises...close our borders, keep them out...build walls, keep them out...!!!...it’s all a dehumanisation that’s been happening and Trump is very much a part of that...he’s not the sole, single reason for anything ...but he plays a part and one that is very key...which no other USA President before him has done...?...these things have to be discussed...and not just ...oh no, not another vid or whatever and why can’t we have nice vids...because it’s the only way the we can move forward as people ..the only way we can move away from prejudice is to try to understand its causes ...to understand it and to not excuse it ...and to understand how the holy heck in 2019, have we found ourselves here...with racial prejudice growing, it seems...these incidents have to happen for them to be constantly recorded...

The World is full of Racists
that will never change
whatever year.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Alf

Of course I wouldn't, most people wouldn't. But some do react, even non White people can be abusive to people.

The guy is obviously a dick, most people think he's a dick, and most of us have our own sh!t to deal with, without having to worry about some dick.

Is he a White supremisist? I'm not convinced yet.

Reacting is human, racism is racist, and non-white people can also be racist.

I agree he's a dick, but he's a racist dick. I really don't get your reluctance to try and find grey areas to reside in, where you can live comfortably with your fingers in your ears, never having to confront what's right in front of your face.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by arista

The World is full of Racists
that will never change
whatever year.

...how vocal and outspoken people are with their racism and prejudice does change, Arista...its very much changed over time ..(...for the better..)...and it’s very much changing again now...(...for the worse..).. is what many are feeling and seeing...

[Alf]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Reacting is human, racism is racist, and non-white people can also be racist.

I agree he's a dick, but he's a racist dick. I really don't get your reluctance to try and find grey areas to reside in, where you can live comfortably with your fingers in your ears, never having to confront what's right in front of your face.

But that doesn't necessarily make him a White Supremisist or a racist. He wanted to hurt the person who he feels did him an unjust. And felt this is one that works. But for all we know, this may be the first time he's done something like that.

No point getting our knickers in a twist over it, that accomplishes nothing but White people being labeled supremacists. What goods that?

[Alf]

I will say that you should get used to this kind of story over the next year and half. "Trump is a racist, White Supremicist" is going to be the Democrat strategy to beat him, they have nothing else. "Russia did it" didn't work for them, so they're gonna go heavy on the racist angle. They have no policies that can win.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Alf

I will say that you should get used to this kind of story over the next year and half. "Trump is a racist, White Supremicist" is going to be the Democrat strategy to beat him, they have nothing else. "Russia did it" didn't work for them, so they're gonna go heavy on the racist angle. They have no policies that can win.

The polls have all of the top four dem candidates beating Donnie by plenty. We've seen this before but not this much at this stage. Its an election for the Dems to lose but other than Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, Andrew Yang and Tulsi Gabbard, the policies are basically to go back to how things were. Biden cant stop talking about Obama and his policy is little more than 'If Obama liked me, then you should too', his strategy is a joke. However those four candidates I named are not loved by the mainstream media, with the possible exception of Warren. So the DNC has a decision to make and I have a feeling they're gonna go for Biden or nothing. That being based on the extensive coverage Biden gets on CNN and MSNBC.. I think that may cost them.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by arista

Bollocks
its due to her being old
that makes her a Racist


Of Course to be fair
Many other old folks are Not racist.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...how vocal and outspoken people are with their racism and prejudice does change, Arista...its very much changed over time ..(...for the better..)...and it’s very much changing again now...(...for the worse..).. is what many are feeling and seeing...

Spot on.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

But that doesn't necessarily make him a White Supremisist or a racist. He wanted to hurt the person who he feels did him an unjust. And felt this is one that works. But for all we know, this may be the first time he's done something like that.

No point getting our knickers in a twist over it, that accomplishes nothing but White people being labeled supremacists. What goods that?

Yeah don't get your knickers in a twist. You'd rather tie yourself in knots defending racial abuse.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yeah don't get your knickers in a twist. You'd rather tie yourself in knots defending racial abuse.

I'm offended by you saying to me that I'm defending racial abuse.

You remind me of the guy in the video.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

I'm offended by you saying to me that I'm defending racial abuse.

You remind me of the guy in the video.

Yes. Watch out. I have a gun.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Alf

I will say that you should get used to this kind of story over the next year and half. "Trump is a racist, White Supremicist" is going to be the Democrat strategy to beat him, they have nothing else. "Russia did it" didn't work for them, so they're gonna go heavy on the racist angle. They have no policies that can win.

All true.

[Twosugars]

Racist righwingers are angry losers. Nothing positive to offer, just hate and delusion. Trump taps into that. The bile he spouts will choke him one day

[Amy Jade]

What a vile man, using that type of language is never okay.

I knew certain people would feel the need to question why he was upset but I have to ask those defending this racist idiot what the postal worker could have possibly done to warrant being called what he was...please explain to me.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Alf

I will say that you should get used to this kind of story over the next year and half. "Trump is a racist, White Supremicist" is going to be the Democrat strategy to beat him, they have nothing else. "Russia did it" didn't work for them, so they're gonna go heavy on the racist angle. They have no policies that can win.

You say this as though Trump is not racist.

If they do use it as their strategy, at least it would be based on truth. More than can be said for what's coming out of Trump's administration.