[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Not according to wikipedia

Women's right to vote in the Arab world


Women were granted the right to vote on a universal and equal basis in Lebanon in 1952,[51] Syria (to vote) in 1949[52] (Restrictions or conditions lifted) in 1953,[53] Egypt in 1956,[54] Tunisia in 1959,[55] Mauritania in 1961,[56] Algeria in 1962,[57] Morocco in 1963,[58] Libya[59] and Sudan in 1964,[60] Yemen in 1967[52] (full right) in 1970,[61] Bahrain in 1973,[62] Jordan in 1974,[63] Iraq (full right) 1980,[62] Kuwait in 1985[64] (later removed and re-granted in 2005) and Oman in 1994.[65] Saudi Arabia in 2015.[66]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_the_Arab_world

Women can vote in Saudi and Yemen and all those other countries... So that's all okay then!

I'm talking about real political freedom.

And quite a few of those countries you mention are in Africa, not the Middle East.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Women can vote in Saudi and Yemen and all those other countries... So that's all okay then!

I'm talking about real political freedom.

And quite a few of those countries you mention are in Africa, not the Middle East.

What do you mean "that's all OK then"? What's all OK then? I was just pointing out that Israel is not the only country in the Middle east where women can vote.

I actually had no idea if what you said was correct or not so I googled it and pasted the list, those African countries are considered "arab" I guess

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

What do you mean "that's all OK then"? What's all OK then? I was just pointing out that Israel is not the only country in the Middle east where women can vote.

I actually had no idea if what you said was correct or not so I googled it and pasted the list, those African countries are considered "arab" I guess

I didn't say Arab, I said Middle East. And there's no need to be aggressive.

I suppose to understand, you have to know a little bit about the status of women in those "middle eastern" countries. Maybe you could Google that.

It wasn't that long ago that you were surprised when I said about the anti-Semitism I'd experience, you told me that you didn't know that Jew-hate was a thing. You were actually surprised that people hate Jews. So I'm not comfortable continuing this conversation with you.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I didn't say Arab, I said Middle East. And there's no need to be aggressive.

I suppose to understand, you have to know a little bit about the status of women in those "middle eastern" countries. Maybe you could Google that.

It wasn't that long ago that you were surprised when I said about the anti-Semitism I'd experience, you told me that you didn't know that Jew-hate was a thing. You were actually surprised that people hate Jews. So I'm not comfortable continuing this conversation with you.

How was I being "aggressive"?

Ok, no problem Livia, clearly you need to do a bit of googling yourself though before making incorrect statements like Israel is the only country in the Middle East where women can vote.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

How was I being "aggressive"?

Ok, no problem Livia, clearly you need to do a bit of googling yourself though before making incorrect statements like Israel is the only country in the Middle East where women can vote.

I don't rely on Google.

Go and compare the Middle East countries with Israel, and find out about women's freedom. Find out about religious freedom... it doesn't exist. And yet, Israel is home to not only Jews, but also Muslims and Christians. Imagining life for a woman generally in the Middle East allows them the same freedoms that Israel does is wrong. I know that doesn't fit the anti-Israel narrative. But hey...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't rely on Google.

Go and compare the Middle East countries with Israel, and find out about women's freedom. Find out about religious freedom... it doesn't exist. And yet, Israel is home to not only Jews, but also Muslims and Christians. Imagining life for a woman generally in the Middle East allows them the same freedoms that Israel does is wrong. I know that doesn't fit the anti-Israel narrative. But hey...

Ok, but what you said was "Israel is the only country in the Middle East where women can vote" that's not true.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Ok, but what you said was "Israel is the only country in the Middle East where women can vote" that's not true.

That's not true Niamh. Okay? I was wrong to say that. I should have said Israel is the only country in the Middle East (not Africa....) where women have political freedom and where their vote always counts, whether they're Jew, Arab... whatever they are.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I didn't say Arab, I said Middle East. And there's no need to be aggressive.

I suppose to understand, you have to know a little bit about the status of women in those "middle eastern" countries. Maybe you could Google that.

It wasn't that long ago that you were surprised when I said about the anti-Semitism I'd experience, you told me that you didn't know that Jew-hate was a thing. You were actually surprised that people hate Jews. So I'm not comfortable continuing this conversation with you.

Hang on a second there, what are you saying? I make you uncomfortable for pointing out Israel isn't the only country where women can vote in the Middle east because I asked you about Anti Semitism before? Ok then...... nice deflection

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Hang on a second there, what are you saying? I make you uncomfortable for pointing out Israel isn't the only country where women can vote in the Middle east because I asked you about Anti Semitism before? Ok then...... nice deflection

No, it means that I'm surprised you're quite so anti-Israel when you weren't even acquainted with anti-Semitism. Leads me to question how you form your opinions. And actually, it makes me understand how anti-Semitic posts are allowed to remain on this forum until someone makes a fuss.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

No, it means that I'm surprised you're quite so anti-Israel when you weren't even acquainted with anti-Semitism. Leads me to question how you form your opinions. And actually, it makes me understand how anti-Semitic posts are allowed to remain on this forum until someone makes a fuss.

How am I anti Israel? Would you like to quote a single post of mine which is "anti Israel" You don't even have to search through other threads, which one of my posts in this thread, is anti Israel?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

How am I anti Israel? Would you like to quote a single post of mine which is "anti Israel" You don't even have to search through other threads, which one of my posts in this thread, is anti Israel?

It's clear you are anti-Israel. Go and read your own posts. It's too upsetting for your to watch the videos. The Internet is rife with hoax stories and accompanying pictures and videos of Israeli soldiers doing unspeakable things and everyone's all so willing to believe it.

You're a moderator. I've seen awfully anti-Semitic things said on this forum and they've stayed there for ages. And yet in the "rules" it says not to tell you how to do your jobs, you see everything. I'm paraphrasing of course. I would expect one person from the moderation team might have picked something up as anti-Semitic.... but no.

I don't really have anything else to add now... unless you do?

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Livia

No, it means that I'm surprised you're quite so anti-Israel when you weren't even acquainted with anti-Semitism. Leads me to question how you form your opinions. And actually, it makes me understand how anti-Semitic posts are allowed to remain on this forum until someone makes a fuss.

And that's the thing those equating any criticism of israel with antisemitism have trouble understanding, like in this post.
You can be against actions of this soldier without being antisemite.
You can be against israel stealing occupied land without being antisemite