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As I've said before it seems to take death especially suicide for people to suddenly think, oh no they were treated badly .

But it also depends what their scandal is and who the person is , Caroline was under scrutiny for the domestic abuse thing, Roxanne literally tried to ruin someone's life on TV .

Ant embarrassed himself and put others in danger on the road,but he got help and is doing well and he's popular .

I find it disgusting how Alexandra Burke got treated on strictly yet she did nothing wrong, Cliff Richard & MJ were cleared yet people still call them horrible things .

MJ's death changed nothing and he still gets his reputation tarnished .

[Livia]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

As I've said before it seems to take death especially suicide for people to suddenly think, oh no they were treated badly .

But it also depends what their scandal is and who the person is , Caroline was under scrutiny for the domestic abuse thing, Roxanne literally tried to ruin someone's life on TV .

Ant embarrassed himself and put others in danger on the road,but he got help and is doing well and he's popular .

I find it disgusting how Alexandra Burke got treated on strictly yet she did nothing wrong, Cliff Richard & MJ were cleared yet people still call them horrible things .

MJ's death changed nothing and he still gets his reputation tarnished .

I can't remember how Alexandra Burke was treated...? I thought she was an amazing dancer... and I don't read Twitter or Facebook.

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I'm not naming names ,but the grief Alexandra got for previous "dance experience" was ridiculous . She was never a professional dancer she just starred in musical theatre .

Joe who won that year apparently had more of a dance background, yet he got a pass as he was universally liked alot . Like I said usually double standards BS .

Alexandra also had her personal life and career choices brought into debates and her personality & behaviour. She always got unfairly attacked, Dan wooton was also printing alot of garbage about her .

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

As I've said before it seems to take death especially suicide for people to suddenly think, oh no they were treated badly .
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Did you see The Scum front pages she got? Looks like it means nothing to you

The same sort of treatment for MJ would have you going mad...


Sorry mate, but you're not being even handed here.

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Originally Posted by Twosugars

Did you see The Scum front pages she got? Looks like it means nothing to you

The same sort of treatment for MJ would have you going mad...


Sorry mate, but you're not being even handed here.

When did I disagree exactly??? , I already know the nasty things papers print about celebrities. When did I say it was ok? .

And when that mj mockumentary was done last year you forgotten the hate he got?, that's why I'm saying even in death some people still get their name dragged through mud and I find it disgusting.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

When did I disagree exactly??? , I already know the nasty things papers print about celebrities. When did I say it was ok? .

And when that mj mockumentary was done last year you forgotten the hate he got?, that's why I'm saying even in death some people still get their name dragged through mud and I find it disgusting.

Well that's how the first para of your post sounded to me. Have another look.
Apologies if you didn't mean it.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by Twosugars

Well that's how the first para of your post sounded to me. Have another look.
Apologies if you didn't mean it.

I had another look and I misunderstood what you said

Apologies

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Originally Posted by Twosugars

Well that's how the first para of your post sounded to me. Have another look.
Apologies if you didn't mean it.

People's reputations get destroyed , accusations get thrown around and they stick.

2S the point I'm making is a few of us hear a story and we make judgements, we hear Caroline was arrested and the whole domestic violence thing and we form an opinion. Even the people who thought she was violent were still saying "if" as we didn't know the full ins and outs.

I already said after she died that we were not hearing the full story ,and we'll probably never really know what was happening. All we know is her mental health was suffering. But the police being involved , obviously shows things were out of hand.

I've always hated newspapers like the sun , people are confused why her boyfriend and people like Schofield sell stories to papers like that.

[Twosugars]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

People's reputations get destroyed , accusations get thrown around and they stick.

2S the point I'm making is a few of us hear a story and we make judgements, we hear Caroline was arrested and the whole domestic violence thing and we form an opinion. Even the people who thought she was violent were still saying "if" as we didn't know the full ins and outs.

I already said after she died that we were not hearing the full story ,and we'll probably never really know what was happening. All we know is her mental health was suffering. But the police being involved , obviously shows things were out of hand.

I've always hated newspapers like the sun , people are confused why her boyfriend and people like Schofield sell stories to papers like that.

My bad. I get it now what you meant. Completely agree.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

When did I disagree exactly??? , I already know the nasty things papers print about celebrities. When did I say it was ok? .

And when that mj mockumentary was done last year you forgotten the hate he got?, that's why I'm saying even in death some people still get their name dragged through mud and I find it disgusting.

tbf Goldheart acting like MJ got unfair and unrealistic backlash is nonsense. Even if you don't believe that he abused young boys, you can't deny he had really weird and inappropriate relationships with them. He's not really a great example of unwarranted attention imo

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i think it very much depends on who the celeb knows and how much power/money/ influence they have. The same as applies in all other aspects of life

For me, the most obvious recent example is prince Andrew ... there are a few minor mutterings, but it would take an earthquake for something to happen to him

Conversely, Meghan and Harry don't have anything like the same power and influence ... need i say more?

Donald Trump gets a few minor mutterings, but his behaviour has been despicable for decades ... not just during his time as president

Minor celebs that haven't built up their power/influence will always be the first to fall

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

tbf Goldheart acting like MJ got unfair and unrealistic backlash is nonsense. Even if you don't believe that he abused young boys, you can't deny he had really weird and inappropriate relationships with them. He's not really a great example of unwarranted attention imo

The media attacked MJ for his voice, body, face , skin & sexuality.

For the millionth time it wasn't just boys he spent time with , that was a dumb narrative pushed to accuse him of being "creepy paedophile with a boy fetishi" which again is offensive . They tried to out him from the closest, even though he clearly liked women.

What I find Bizarre and stupid is how they say nothing about the girls he hung around with, so I guess if people think you're a paedophile it doesn't matter if you spend time with any little girls as apparently you only molest little boys .

Surely if they genuinely thought he was dangerous they wouldn't let ANY kids around him .

That's like saying men were safe around jack the ripper just because he had a thing for killing women . Their logic is flawed.

MJ went about things the wrong way ,but I truly believe he was naive and as he didn't have a proper childhood he was trying to relive that. If he was this "evil monster" people paint Jim as then they'd try and bring him to justice instead of trying to extort money from him.

Macaulay culkin spent a hell of alot of time with him and so did other children and they say nothing happened. They all have happy memories plus his Neverland home was filled with cameras and staff .

He was investigated for 10 years and all clear .

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

The media attacked MJ for his voice, body, face , skin & sexuality.

For the millionth time it wasn't just boys he spent time with , that was a dumb narrative pushed to accuse him of being "creepy paedophile with a boy fetishi" which again is offensive . They tried to out him from the closest, even though he clearly liked women.

What I find Bizarre and stupid is how they say nothing about the girls he hanged around with, so I guess if people think you're a paedophile it doesn't matter if you spend time with any little girls as apparently you only molest little boys .

Surely if they genuinely thought he was dangerous they wouldn't let ANY kids around him .

That's like saying men were safe around jack the ripper just because he had a thing for killing women . Their logic is flawed.

MJ went about things the wrong way ,but I truly believe he was naive and as he didn't have a proper childhood he was trying to relive that. If he was this "evil monster" people paint Jim as then they'd try and bring him to justice instead of trying to extort money from him.

Macaulay cullin spent a hell of alot of time with him and do did other children and they say nothing happened. They all have happy memories plus his Neverland home was filled with cameras and staff .

He was investigated for 10 years and all clear .

That's like saying of a rapist, well he never raped his neighbour Mary so therefore he couldn't have raped anyone. That's not a good argument

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Originally Posted by Niamh.

That's like saying of a rapist, well he never raped his neighbour Mary so therefore he couldn't have raped anyone. That's not a good argument

Not really as if you thought someone was dangerous you wouldn't let anyone near him . He had the biggest target on his back and made silly mistakes by letting children into his home to stay.

They don't care about the little girls that stayed with him or spent time with him, yet they paint him as this "serial paedophile" who can't control himself .

Why did all the accusers want money? , they cared more about that than anything else.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

As I've said before it seems to take death especially suicide for people to suddenly think, oh no they were treated badly .

But it also depends what their scandal is and who the person is , Caroline was under scrutiny for the domestic abuse thing, Roxanne literally tried to ruin someone's life on TV .

Ant embarrassed himself and put others in danger on the road,but he got help and is doing well and he's popular .

I find it disgusting how Alexandra Burke got treated on strictly yet she did nothing wrong, Cliff Richard & MJ were cleared yet people still call them horrible things .

MJ's death changed nothing and he still gets his reputation tarnished .

MJ in particular was treated awfully by the press even before any allegations ,so much so he wrote a song about it (Leave me Alone) poor guy could not breathe for so many vile stories.

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Originally Posted by Kazanne

MJ in particular was treated awfully by the press even before any allegations ,so much so he wrote a song about it (Leave me Alone) poor guy could not breathe for so many vile stories.

Exactly it was horrible, even when he died they still kept talking about his face and his death body .

And then last year those idiots go and make a mockumentary propaganda movie accusing him , they just won't leave him alone even in death .