[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Please stop spreading misinformation!!

Josy warned other members about this you must have missed the memo. Here is a WHO timeline, educate yourself.



Pneumonia of unknown cause reported to WHO China Office

31 December 2019

'At the close of 2019, the WHO China Country Office was informed of a pneumonia of unknown cause, detected in the city of Wuhan in Hubei province, China. According to the authorities, some patients were operating dealers or vendors in the Huanan Seafood market.*

Staying in close contact with national authorities, WHO began monitoring the situation and requested further information on the laboratory tests performed and the different diagnoses considered.'

https://www.who.int/emergencies/dise...as-they-happen

What on earth are you rambling on about, I posted a tweet from the official WHO account to show how little they knew about the virus back then thanks to disinformation from China. This has been very well reported such as here:

Back in January, when the pandemic now consuming the world was still gathering force, a Berkeley research scientist named Xiao Qiang was monitoring China’s official statements about a new coronavirus then spreading through Wuhan and noticed something disturbing. Statements made by the World Health Organization, the international body that advises the world on handling health crises, often echoed China’s messages. “Particularly at the beginning, it was shocking when I again and again saw WHO’s [director-general], when he spoke to the press … almost directly quoting what I read on the Chinese government’s statements,” he told me.

The most notorious example came in the form of a single tweet from the WHO account on January 14: “Preliminary investigations conducted by the Chinese authorities have found no clear evidence of human-to-human transmission of the novel #coronavirus.” That same day, the Wuhan Health Commission’s public bulletin declared, “We have not found proof for human-to-human transmission.” But by that point even the Chinese government was offering caveats not included in the WHO tweet. “The possibility of limited human-to-human transmission cannot be excluded,” the bulletin said, “but the risk of sustained transmission is low.”

This, we now know, was catastrophically untrue, and in the months since, the global pandemic has put much of the world under an unprecedented lockdown and killed more than 100,000 people.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...avirus/609820/

Please withdraw your bizarre allegation

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Please stop spreading misinformation!!

Josy warned other members about this you must have missed the memo. Here is a WHO timeline, educate yourself.



Pneumonia of unknown cause reported to WHO China Office

31 December 2019

'At the close of 2019, the WHO China Country Office was informed of a pneumonia of unknown cause, detected in the city of Wuhan in Hubei province, China. According to the authorities, some patients were operating dealers or vendors in the Huanan Seafood market.*

Staying in close contact with national authorities, WHO began monitoring the situation and requested further information on the laboratory tests performed and the different diagnoses considered.'

https://www.who.int/emergencies/dise...as-they-happen

Hardly misinformation.
It is part of the same timeline you are taking your info from Kizzy.

[bots]

Originally Posted by MTVN

What on earth are you rambling on about, I posted a tweet from the official WHO account to show how little they knew about the virus back then thanks to disinformation from China.

and this is why the world is perfectly entitled to be pissed off at china and the WHO. I've said it a few times now, but China have been habitual liars for generations, why would anyone take their word for it at that point ... it's such a blatant issue

[Brother Leon]

I’m not going to consider factors and decisions made by our government before the virus, because if we did then the answer is a clear cut no.

Even so, That week or so before the official lockdown was an absolute disaster and even after the lockdown the conditions were so poorly explained, and then it required them several days to come up with new financial packages for different groups of people to calm the panic.

It’s all really inexcusable when you consider the head start we had to plan over most nations. Only reason it hasn’t been all bad though is that they have done well on the most park with the financial policies and Sunak has made himself look like a possible future leader.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

What on earth are you rambling on about, I posted a tweet from the official WHO account to show how little they knew about the virus back then thanks to disinformation from China. This has been very well reported such as here:



Please withdraw your bizarre allegation

No....


First case of novel coronavirus outside of China confirmed

13 January 2020

Officials confirmed a case of the novel coronavirus in Thailand. It was not unexpected that cases of the novel coronavirus would emerge outside of China and reinforces why WHO calls for active monitoring and preparedness in other countries.


From the official WHO website. You apologise for the American propaganda you're posting!

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Hardly misinformation.
It is part of the same timeline you are taking your info from Kizzy.

Nope, it isn't

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No....


First case of novel coronavirus outside of China confirmed

13 January 2020

Officials confirmed a case of the novel coronavirus in Thailand. It was not unexpected that cases of the novel coronavirus would emerge outside of China and reinforces why WHO calls for active monitoring and preparedness in other countries.


From the official WHO website. You apologise for the American propaganda you're posting!

Do you understand that what I posted is a tweet from the official WHO account? The suggestion I'm posting disinformation about the WHO by quoting the WHO is baffling even for you

The point I was making was specifically about human to human transmission which nothing that you have posted has addressed I'm afraid

Further evidence of the problem: https://www.ft.com/content/2a70a02a-...cd-df28cc3c6a6

Taiwan has accused the World Health Organization of failing to communicate an early warning about transmission of the coronavirus between humans, slowing the global response to the pandemic.

Health officials in Taipei said they alerted the WHO at the end of December about the risk of human-to-human transmission of the new virus but said its concerns were not passed on to other countries.

Taiwan is excluded from the WHO because China, which claims it as part of its territory, demands that third countries and international bodies do not treat it in any way that resembles how independent states are treated

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

and this is why the world is perfectly entitled to be pissed off at china and the WHO. I've said it a few times now, but China have been habitual liars for generations, why would anyone take their word for it at that point ... it's such a blatant issue

The WHO response in January/February absolutely reeked of CCP propaganda to be quite honest, the language being used wasn't even thinly veiled. We had WHO officials dribbling about how well China was handling it and how great the Chinese government is, and one saying "if he gets Covid he hopes its in China" because of how great the treatment measures were.

Just ****ing odd to be including things like that in press releases if you don't have a Chinese government official in your ear, in my opinion.

[Scarlett.]

They've done an ok job, after the absolute disaster at the start with their herd immunity bull**** (Fire Dominic Cummings, seriously)

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Scarlett.

They've done an ok job, after the absolute disaster at the start with their herd immunity bull**** (Fire Dominic Cummings, seriously)

Indeed, Boris' ramblings early on were him being a Cummings mouthpiece more than anything else. He said something like, "one idea is that we could...". He might as well have said "My buddy Dom says..."

[Scarlett.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Indeed, Boris' ramblings early on were him being a Cummings mouthpiece more than anything else. He said something like, "one idea is that we could...". He might as well have said "My buddy Dom says..."

Yep, if they'd taken swifter more decisive action, a lot of lives could have been saved

[Fetch The Bolt Cutters]

I mean 10,000 people have died how can that be seen as doing a good job

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Scarlett.

Yep, if they'd taken swifter more decisive action, a lot of lives could have been saved

That remains to be seen, to be honest. If it can be successfully suppressed by early lockdown then yes, if full community transmission is inevitable then all that really makes a difference is lockdown being initiated quickly enough to stop healthcare services being overwhelmed then thus far they haven't been so it makes no long-term difference.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Do you understand that what I posted is a tweet from the official WHO account? The suggestion I'm posting disinformation about the WHO by quoting the WHO is baffling even for you

The point I was making was specifically about human to human transmission which nothing that you have posted has addressed I'm afraid

Further evidence of the problem: https://www.ft.com/content/2a70a02a-...cd-df28cc3c6a6

I understand you are being rude because I have challenged you on this. Can you provide the WHO link to this tweet? That link to the article you're touting as further evidence in this post does not work.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Scarlett.

They've done an ok job, after the absolute disaster at the start with their herd immunity bull**** (Fire Dominic Cummings, seriously)

No he is not elected

Johnson PM likes him.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I understand you are being rude because I have challenged you on this. Can you provide the WHO link to this tweet? That link to the article you're touting as further evidence in this post does not work.

To be fair Kizzy you've been being a bit rude here by insisting that someone else has it wrong when you've misunderstood what was being pointed out in the first place. The original post was pointing out that the WHO was still unclear on whether or not person to person transmission was happening in mid January. You countered it by saying that they knew the virus EXISTED in late December (which is not the same thing). There would be no need to take quarantine measures if human to human transmission wasn't possible and thus governments can't be expected to have taken that action before that point.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Sullen Girl

I mean 10,000 people have died how can that be seen as doing a good job

Its Over 11,329 today
Scott.

The Care Home UK deaths of Covid
are not included

Get Up to date on Shaun's thread

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

To be fair Kizzy you've been being a bit rude here by insisting that someone else has it wrong when you've misunderstood what was being pointed out in the first place. The original post was pointing out that the WHO was still unclear on whether or not person to person transmission was happening in mid January. You countered it by saying that they knew the virus EXISTED in late December (which is not the same thing). There would be no need to take quarantine measures if human to human transmission wasn't possible and thus governments can't be expected to have taken that action before that point.

I'm rude for having an opinion on counter information... how about you attempt to see some logic in my post before accusing me of misunderstanding? There was already admissions and cases of person to person transmission prior to that tweet I countered with that too.

[Kizzy]

While the cause of the pneumonia seems to be a novel coronavirus, transmission potential and modes of transmission remain unclear. Therefore, it would be prudent to reduce the general risk of acute respiratory infections while travelling in or from affected areas (currently Wuhan City) by:

avoiding close contact with people suffering from acute respiratory infections;frequent hand-washing, especially after direct contact with ill people or their environment;avoiding close contact with live or dead farm or wild animals;travellers with symptoms of acute respiratory infection should practice cough etiquette (maintain distance, cover coughs and sneezes with disposable tissues or clothing, and wash hands).


https://www.who.int/news-room/articl...irus-in-china/

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'm rude for having an opinion on counter information... how about you attempt to see some logic in my post before accusing me of misunderstanding? There was already admissions and cases of person to person transmission prior to that tweet I countered with that too.

Your coming across as your opinion or no opinion and have been very rude

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I understand you are being rude because I have challenged you on this. Can you provide the WHO link to this tweet? That link to the article you're touting as further evidence in this post does not work.

The rudeness started with your post accusing me of 'spreading misinformation' and telling me to educate myself, that's not the way to start a civil conversation

I've already posted the Tweet from the official WHO account, feel free to click it. See if this link to the FT article works: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft....d-df28cc3c6a68

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

While the cause of the pneumonia seems to be a novel coronavirus, transmission potential and modes of transmission remain unclear. Therefore, it would be prudent to reduce the general risk of acute respiratory infections while travelling in or from affected areas (currently Wuhan City) by:

avoiding close contact with people suffering from acute respiratory infections;frequent hand-washing, especially after direct contact with ill people or their environment;avoiding close contact with live or dead farm or wild animals;travellers with symptoms of acute respiratory infection should practice cough etiquette (maintain distance, cover coughs and sneezes with disposable tissues or clothing, and wash hands).


https://www.who.int/news-room/articl...irus-in-china/

Your own link says 'preliminary investigation suggests that there is no significant human-to-human transmission, and no infections among health care workers have occurred'

This is the point I was making - the WHO were way off the mark in believing that this was true in mid January

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

The rudeness started with your post accusing me of 'spreading misinformation' and telling me to educate myself, that's not the way to start a civil conversation

I've already posted the Tweet from the official WHO account, feel free to click it. See if this link to the FT article works: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft....d-df28cc3c6a68

You are spreading misinformation as the information I posted shows, imo you do need to educate yourself on this it's not rude to suggest that.

Your comment towards me was quite personally offensive.

No it doesn't.

[MTVN]

Thank you to fellow posters for reassuring me I'm not going mad after all

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Thank you to fellow posters for reassuring me I'm not going mad after all

Thanking people for baiting now? How novel.