[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Livia

Facts? Looking back and telling someone you would have done it differently is not facts.

No, you specifically said the mention of the fact that something is trending as ‘proof’ that this thread is nothing but ‘propaganda’, why is factually stating something is happening propaganda?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

You're aggressively baiting but w/e

Are you joking, you have a pink fit because I challenged your comment and then accuse me of baiting? Im not apologising for my comments, I stand by them so let it go and stick to the topic.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Liam-

No, you specifically said the mention of the fact that something is trending as ‘proof’ that this thread is nothing but ‘propaganda’, why is factually stating something is happening propaganda?

It's not me, I'm afraid, Liam, it's your comprehension that's lacking.

If it's trending, it's trending. No argument there.

But why is it trending? Because of propaganda.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Are you joking, you have a pink fit because I challenged your comment and then accuse me of baiting? Im not apologising for my comments, I stand by them so let it go and stick to the topic.

Do you ever read your posts back Kizzy? You're the queen of the pink fit.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

It's not me, I'm afraid, Liam, it's your comprehension that's lacking.

If it's trending, it's trending. No argument there.

But why is it trending? Because of propaganda.

Here is your lesson of the day kids..

If you don't agree with public opinion it's propaganda.
Let's clap the syllables. ..
PROP A GAN DA.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Livia

"Boris to resign trending..." In the title.

All you need to know about this thread. Anti-government propaganda supported with dubious statistics and hindsight.

Yep,I ignore these now, people just love to sit back and slag the government off ,NO ONE knows how many would have died but I guess its always best to blame someone,other than the source of where it came from.

[Samm]

All this anti-government bull**** is draining, I'm challenging the government, as people should be able to do, hold the government accountable for actions they make, since they do run the country and effect our lives it's important for people to challenge the government.

Way better then practising this oh our dear leader crap, I don't feel sorry for our MPs or PM for doing their job, they chose to be a MP or a Prime Minster for a reason it's not a job you just land yourself in.

Originally Posted by Kazanne

NO ONE knows how many would have died but I guess its always best to blame someone,other than the source of where it came from.

Yes we do, with the right action and protective PPE deaths could of been avoided. As for the source China's government of course has blood on their hands however it doesn't beg the question that the virus could of been prevented from spreading rapidly in the UK with more action and flight checks at major airports which was ignored.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Are you joking, you have a pink fit because I challenged your comment and then accuse me of baiting? Im not apologising for my comments, I stand by them so let it go and stick to the topic.

A "pink fit"? I'm frustrated because your default is angry sniping and sarcasm, it's impossible to work with at all. Every single post you make is passive aggressive. It makes bothering with engaging in threads you're in a boring waste of time. As I generally enjoy the forum... Yes... That does annoy me. You win?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Here is your lesson of the day kids..

If you don't agree with public opinion it's propaganda.
Let's clap the syllables. ..
PROP A GAN DA.

But its all they have Kizzy.
Labour Party are not in power

[arista]

[Originally Posted by Livia
"Boris to resign trending..." In the title.]


Yes its just a Twitter Frenzy
Anti Conservatives.

Ideal for Samm


Its Fake
of course as he is not resigning

[GiRTh]

This is going to be a story whether some like it or not. Piers Morgan just slammed Boris and his friend Trump on CNN for not repsonding quickly enough to the threat. This is going to come up guys so get used to the discussion

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

Yep,I ignore these now, people just love to sit back and slag the government off ,NO ONE knows how many would have died but I guess its always best to blame someone,other than the source of where it came from.

You ignore them and yet here you are...

[GiRTh]

Youtube video

Theres definitely something wrong when I agree with Piers.

[bots]

people arent really understanding the realities. The lockdown only reduces the pressure on the NHS, it reduces the rate that people are admitted to hospital. It doesn't stop people dying. We have no vaccine in sight, so people are going to continue to die for a while yet. We wont be locked down until an vaccine is produced.

All these people saying that such and such a country did it better than another is meaningless until we are at least 2 years down the line and can evaluate it properly

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Samm

All this anti-government bull**** is draining, I'm challenging the government, as people should be able to do, hold the government accountable for actions they make, since they do run the country and effect our lives it's important for people to challenge the government.

Way better then practising this oh our dear leader crap, I don't feel sorry for our MPs or PM for doing their job, they chose to be a MP or a Prime Minster for a reason it's not a job you just land yourself in.



Yes we do, with the right action and protective PPE deaths could of been avoided. As for the source China's government of course has blood on their hands however it doesn't beg the question that the virus could of been prevented from spreading rapidly in the UK with more action and flight checks at major airports which was ignored.

Exactly
Back in January when the outbreak happened in the UK, why did Boris drag his feet and dither so much.
And same goes for America etc.

The lockdown and the travel ban should of been in effect from the start. Or atleast quicker than it was. The actions have been slow to stop this virus or to atleast control it .

Even when Boris put us in lockdown on march 16th it still wasn't firm enough, it was more a case of "I advise you" . He had to do yet another announcement urging people to STAY HOME .

This has gone beyond "wash your hands for 20 seconds" .

Someone was spraying the streets to rid of germs, again another belated thing .

All we can do now is keep self isolating and hope they make a breakthrough with testing and vaccination.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

people arent really understanding the realities. The lockdown only reduces the pressure on the NHS, it reduces the rate that people are admitted to hospital. It doesn't stop people dying. We have no vaccine in sight, so people are going to continue to die for a while yet. We wont be locked down until an vaccine is produced.

All these people saying that such and such a country did it better than another is meaningless until we are at least 2 years down the line and can evaluate it properly

You are absolutely right...it was to take the pressure off the NHS and bed availability.

[arista]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Youtube video

Theres definitely something wrong when I agree with Piers.

Yes I record that Show
Piers is so right on USA and UK


Great you posted the Video
Girth.

[MTVN]

Piers general attitude has just been that everything could have been solved if we just 'do more', 'sort it out', 'pull your finger out' etc. The idea that it's just a lack of will standing in our way. I do like him but he always simplifies everything and specialises in shouty, accusatory journalism which doesn't provide much in the way of answers but does let him claim that he's 'holding the government's feet to the fire' and pat himself on the back

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Piers general attitude has just been that everything could have been solved if we just 'do more', 'sort it out', 'pull your finger out' etc. The idea that it's just a lack of will standing in our way. I do like him but he always simplifies everything and specialises in shouty, accusatory journalism which doesn't provide much in the way of answers but does let him claim that he's 'holding the government's feet to the fire' and pat himself on the back

I agree, he's a total prick at times but on this issue he is absolutely right. The election doesnt matter if Trumps politial opponent can point to hundreds of thouands of americans dead while Donnies bickering with reporters at press conferences. The other day Trump used about 20 minutes of his presser to rant about the democrats holding up his federal judge appointments. What that had to do with national testing or virus policy is beyond me but thats what was on his mind. Same with Boris. Where is he? We know he had the virus but did he really almost die? IF not then why is he not at the daily briefings or why isnt he addressing the nation more often?. Chris Cuomo still does his nightly show on CNN even though he was diagnosed about three weeks ago.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

I agree, he's a total prick at times but on this issue he is absolutely right. The election doesnt matter if Trumps politial opponent can point to hundreds of thouands of americans dead while Donnies bickering with reporters at press conferences. The other day Trump used about 20 minutes of his presser to rant about the democrats holding up his federal judge appointments. What that had to do with national testing or virus policy is beyond me but thats what was on his mind. Same with Boris. Where is he? We know he had the virus but did he really almost die? IF not then why is he not at the daily briefings or why isnt he addressing the nation more often?. Chris Cuomo still does his nightly show on CNN even though he was diagnosed about three weeks ago.

Boris was still working 16 hour days nearly 2 weeks after he was diagnosed and that probably played some part in his condition worsening. I think the general advice is to spend a week recovering for every day spent in ICU so I don't think he should rush back to work.

It will be interesting to see how Trump's election chances will be affected. Guess it will all depend on how much he is the one blamed for those deaths. I think most polls so far still show that more Americans think he has handled it well than those who think he's handled it badly. A lot of people will agree with his criticisms of China, the WHO etc. and even though they've been badly hit by the virus just look at some of the protests there to see the differing expectations a lot of Americans have of their government. If lockdown is the only solution they'll consider the cure worse than the disease

[GiRTh]

Trumps approval ratings are tanking so I dont know what you're looking at when you say most Americans think he's handled it well. Most people are tuning into Gov Cuomo's pressers because its the only place they'll find out whats going on.

Poll: Trump's approval rating drops as coronavirus pandemic, economic crisis continue

In the meatime Cuomos approval are going thru the roof.

New Yorkers approve of Cuomo’s response to coronavirus pandemic

[Crimson Dynamo]

Boris popular with GBP

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics...roves-its-gove

[bots]

Trumps support bounced up a little and has now leveled back again. Past presidents did much better in the ratings at a time of crisis

Like I said earlier, this shouldn't be measured over a month, it should be measured over 2 years at least. It's understandable at such a time that people want someone to blame, but the critical factor was to keep within the NHS's capacity, and so far, that has been successful

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Trumps approval ratings are tanking so I dont know what you're looking at when you say most Americans think he's handled it well. Most people are tuning into Gov Cuomo's pressers because its the only place they'll find out whats going on.

Poll: Trump's approval rating drops as coronavirus pandemic, economic crisis continue

In the meatime Cuomos approval are going thru the roof.

New Yorkers approve of Cuomo’s response to coronavirus pandemic

Yeah I was a bit out of date with that, think it was the late March/very start of April polls I'd been thinking of

I know Cuomo always speaks well but what else has he done to get such strong ratings?

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yeah I was a bit out of date with that, think it was the late March/very start of April polls I'd been thinking of

I know Cuomo always speaks well but what else has he done to get such strong ratings?

He's telling the nation whats going on. Doing the job of the president while Donnie is bickering with reporters, going on for 20 minutes about what the democrats arent giving him, boasting that he's done so much you'd think the threat was over and he single handedly got rid of it, telling the country to defy the 'stay at home' order but only in states run by Democrats and pushing a dangerous untested 'miracle' cure in Hydroxychloroquine.

Hydroxychloroquine: how an unproven drug became Trump’s coronavirus 'miracle cure'

That one on its own deserves further scrutiny. How dangerous is that for the President to push an untested drug. If people defy the 'stay at home' order or take the 'miracle' drug and get sick or worse die, I dunno, but couldnt it be argued that Trump was responsible for their death? I bet some clever lawyers a ready to file papers the moment it happens. Trump isnt thinking, his petty disputes and vendettas take over his entire thought process. If he loses in November it may ony be a few months before he sees the inside of a court.