[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

people arent really understanding the realities. The lockdown only reduces the pressure on the NHS, it reduces the rate that people are admitted to hospital. It doesn't stop people dying. We have no vaccine in sight, so people are going to continue to die for a while yet. We wont be locked down until an vaccine is produced.

All these people saying that such and such a country did it better than another is meaningless until we are at least 2 years down the line and can evaluate it properly

exactly people seem to be missing the point that the whole point of lockdown is so the NHS isn't overwhelmed and have to make decisions about who can have a ventilator and who doesn't like the Italian medics had to do, so that has not happened so it has to be said the lockdown was timed correctly, but when we do ever get back to normal, the virus will still be around but it will be at a time when seasonal flu is not so prevalent, so we make go back to semi normal from June to October then possibly lock down again to prevent another surge

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Piers general attitude has just been that everything could have been solved if we just 'do more', 'sort it out', 'pull your finger out' etc. The idea that it's just a lack of will standing in our way. I do like him but he always simplifies everything and specialises in shouty, accusatory journalism which doesn't provide much in the way of answers but does let him claim that he's 'holding the government's feet to the fire' and pat himself on the back

I agree,I like him well I did until now he has been so shouty and bullish I cant stand to watch him anymore, he never lets anyone finish what they want to say ,he just likes the sound of his own voice,I mean what would any government gain from not doing all they can do in this situation,its easy for us to sit back and complain but there is so much they have to get right ,and I don't think it helps with people critising all the time,its not an easy thing to get right,infact has anyone got it right so far ? as for the death count, why are people saying people have died from suspected Covid19,if they are not sure ? and isn't there supposed to be a lack of testing? if so HOW do they know a person has infact died from the virus ? if they cant be tested,I don't get that some people don't see this as a really hard thing to get right, it really cant be easy,I am sure the government would not make things difficult on purpose,too many quick to judge imo and too soon.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

He's telling the nation whats going on. Doing the job of the president while Donnie is bickering with reporters, going on for 20 minutes about what the democrats arent giving him, boasting that he's done so much you'd think the threat was over and he single handedly got rid of it, telling the country to defy the 'stay at home' order but only in states run by Democrats and pushing a dangerous untested 'miracle' cure in Hydroxychloroquine.

Hydroxychloroquine: how an unproven drug became Trump’s coronavirus 'miracle cure'

That one on its own deserves further scrutiny. How dangerous is that for the President to push an untested drug. If people defy the 'stay at home' order or take the 'miracle' drug and get sick or worse die, I dunno, but couldnt it be argued that Trump was responsible for their death? I bet some clever lawyers a ready to file papers the moment it happens. Trump isnt thinking, his petty disputes and vendettas take over his entire thought process. If he loses in November it may ony be a few months before he sees the inside of a court.

Trump is up there every day though giving the briefing and taking questions, he probably spends more time than any other world leader taking questions from the media. Cuomo gets a lot of credit but I remember him saying there was no question of him locking down NYC in mid March even though the virus was already everywhere and then he did so a couple of days later. Wouldn't argue with the hydroxychloroquine stuff

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Trump is up there every day though giving the briefing and taking questions, he probably spends more time than any other world leader taking questions from the media. Cuomo gets a lot of credit but I remember him saying there was no question of him locking down NYC in mid March even though the virus was already everywhere and then he did so a couple of days later. Wouldn't argue with the hydroxychloroquine stuff

Cuomo admits he got things wrong, Trump doesnt. Like I said, Trump acts like the threat has gone and he singehandedly got rid of it. We all know that not true but thats what Americans are hearing every day at Trumps pressers; at Cuomo pressers they hear whats really going on. Trump wants to re-open all businesses by May 1st. Its ludicrous but that the kind of garbage hes spouts at his conference - when he's not moaning about the Democrats. One is showing leadership while the other is more intersted in his own petty feuds.

[bots]

people make right decisions for the wrong reasons, and wrong decisions for the right reasons too. I can't abide the way Trump has weaponised the virus for his own political gain, and the man lacks any form of moral fiber, but we have to understand that America is a huge country with vast areas still unaffected by the virus. There is no point in locking a state down if they only have a handful of people infected. NYC is a completely different beast.

It's like us locking down isolated hamlets in Scotland, it doesn't make sense

[James]

Thinking about the November election, I think the Democrats need to be careful because if they accuse Trump of things he wasn't responsible for, it will improve his re-election chances.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

A "pink fit"? I'm frustrated because your default is angry sniping and sarcasm, it's impossible to work with at all. Every single post you make is passive aggressive. It makes bothering with engaging in threads you're in a boring waste of time. As I generally enjoy the forum... Yes... That does annoy me. You win?

Let it be known, I don't care.
I don't care what you make of my posts or how they make you feel. I as a forum member I am as entitled to an opinion on any thread as anyone. I wont be responding to any further outbursts.

[arista]

[arista]

[arista]

[arista]

[arista]

[Smithy]

“Boris fury at smears”

Aye telling everyone you skipped Cobra meetings to go on holiday is a smear isn’t it

[arista]

[arista]

Originally Posted by Smithy

“Boris fury at smears”

Aye telling everyone you skipped Cobra meetings to go on holiday is a smear isn’t it

He Claims he was updated.
Anyone can backtrack and attack.


Soon Johnson PM
is to return to Work.
The he can answer direct to the Press
again

[arista]

Originally Posted by James

Thinking about the November election, I think the Democrats need to be careful because if they accuse Trump of things he wasn't responsible for, it will improve his re-election chances.

Yes November Election
Joe Biden has to stay hidden
as Covid 19 could kill him off
as he is so old....................

[arista]

[arista]

[BBC text:
That's just inzayn," is the Daily Star's headline
as it reports lessons for pupils in lockdown
brand Winston Churchill a war criminal
who is less important
than One Direction's Zayn Malik.]

[Crimson Dynamo]

PPE procurement is not the job of HM government it's the senior NHS staffer.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by arista

He Claims he was updated.
Anyone can backtrack and attack.


Soon Johnson PM
is to return to Work.
The he can answer direct to the Press
again

I have been told that he doesn't actually have to attend all the meetings ,He has a competent team and IF anything was needed for him to be there,then he would.

[michael21]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes November Election
Joe Biden has to stay hidden
as Covid 19 could kill him off
as he is so old....................

Your talking about a human

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

PPE procurement is not the job of HM government it's the senior NHS staffer.

I know.How do they spin it as the PMs fault for items not getting there on time,maybe ,just maybe it might be the fault of the top cats at the NHS and bad admin, we all know they can be imcompetent and waste money etc.just because something comes under the name NHS, does not make it perfect.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

PPE procurement is not the job of HM government it's the senior NHS staffer.

Management can only put in the orders - they don't have any ability to bring it in in bulk from abroad, or to ensure that production rates are increased in the UK for ongoing availability. It's up to NHS management to order enough of it but when there's a massive supply issue in an emergency, it really needs to be the government that sources it from elsewhere or makes arrangements with manufacturers.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Smithy

“Boris fury at smears”

Aye telling everyone you skipped Cobra meetings to go on holiday is a smear isn’t it

He's such a tool bag !

[MTVN]

The government has posted quite a lengthy rebuttal to many of the claims made in the article: https://healthmedia.blog.gov.uk/2020...sight-article/

It seems there is quite a growing backlash to what is being regarded as pretty sloppy journalism on the part of the Sunday Times