[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The patient has to be put under for starters they don’t start operating in the waiting room on a wide awake patient in their jeans and T-shirt

And unless their colleagues attack them they are perfectly safe

But is it not an incredibly stressful job? What if they panicked and killed a patient because they did something they didn’t do, would it be chalked up to a mistake or with they be held responsible and punished?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Take me for example, I’m a citizen, I’ve had no training to be a full time carer for my mother, I’ve been doing it for coming up 10 years, I’ve signed no contracts, I’ve taken no oaths, if someone in my position decided to give someone they’re caring for something they weren’t prescribed and something went wrong, all because they thought they knew better than the doctors, they would be held responsible and rightfully punished, why should people who do train to do their jobs but choose to ignore their training and do it their own way and potentially put people in danger, be held to a lesser standard?

I am not saying he shouldn’t be reprimanded, I think suspension is severe until all the facts are known, desk duties like the other one ...then if it does come to light he is not suited to the force sack him

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I am not saying he shouldn’t be reprimanded, I think suspension is severe until all the facts are known, desk duties like the other one ...then if it does come to light he is not suited to the force sack him

He’s been suspended while they investigate yes, the right cause of action, the other one wasn’t on the guys head/neck, so why would he be suspended as well?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by caprimint

The main point is not a result of why the police acted in the way they did. The main point is WHY he was carrying the knife... its literally that simple.

It's really not. Nobody has questioned the fact the man was a criminal and needed arresting. Distracting from the debate to create a new one is not an argument.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Wow you must be really scary and impressive

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

It's really not. Nobody has questioned the fact the man was a criminal and needed arresting. Distracting from the debate to create a new one is not an argument.

So why create the thread to begin with? When is it specifically referring to a... POLICEMAN ON A BLACK GUY?



****ing hell

[bots]

the reason people get extensive training is so that they react and deal with things in the correct manner for the circumstances that they face. In a life threatening situation however, people should not expect to be held accountable for the method they use to protect themselves from harm.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The good news for Sheriff is he can now escalate to carrying a weapon and if the police so much as lay a finger in the wrong place during his arrest, he will be exonerated by some of his fellow Tibbers

Oh are we still pretending anyone has defended the man carrying a knife. Ok.

[Ammi]

...’mistakes’ serve to make us better, to highlight any areas that are lacking and to highlight any further training required...it doesn’t mean because someone is suspended that they’ll lose their job necessarily...but the body cam footage...(..not the public video..)...is what is being reported as the reason why the suspension and why it’s now under investigation...the decision was made by someone who has ‘all the information’, rather than just the snippet that we have...

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Liam-

He’s been suspended while they investigate yes, the right cause of action, the other one wasn’t on the guys head/neck, so why would he be suspended as well?

I don’t think the other one was suspended...just given office duties like Cherie said. I guess being part of a team it’s what they do if an investigation is being held.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

I don’t think the other one was suspended...just given office duties. I guess being part of a team it’s what they do if an investigation is being held.

Yeah I know, I was making the comparison of the different punishments for the pair

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

so you never made a mistake in your job?

Originally Posted by caprimint

Omg exactly

I don't get why people expect police to be more 'perfect' than anybody else

Well, in a job that can deal with life and death, "mistakes" are more costly.

If a badly trained doctor causes serious harm to a patient would your response be "I don't get why people expect doctors to be more 'perfect' than anybody else"?

No, it would be "This doctor either ignored his training and procedures or was poorly trained to start with". The police are no different.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by caprimint

So why create the thread to begin with? When is it specifically referring to a... POLICEMAN ON A BLACK GUY?



****ing hell

Well, considering I didn't make the thread your anguish is directed at the wrong person.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by caprimint

So why create the thread to begin with? When is it specifically referring to a... POLICEMAN ON A BLACK GUY?



****ing hell

Because in light of what happened to George Floyd, a black man who died when an officer knelt on his neck, it needs to be highlighted when our own Police Officers are undertaking questionable arrest techniques. In light of the current high level of feeling about Police brutality here and in the States directed at Black people in particular, we need to clamp down on the heavy handed arrests and make sure our Officers are properly trained and able to handle these types of situations safely and professionally.

I wouldn't be a copper for any amount of money but if you choose a career to uphold the law you should receive adequate training so you can derain and arrest criminals such as this guy without resorting to having to hold them by the head or neck

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Yeah I know, I was making the comparison of the different punishments for the pair

No you clearly said why was the other one suspended as well..

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Because in light of what happened to George Floyd, a black man who died when an officer knelt on his neck, it needs to be highlighted when our own Police Officers are undertaking questionable arrest techniques. In light of the current high level of feeling about Police brutality here and in the States directed at Black people in particular, we need to clamp down on the heavy handed arrests and make sure our Officers are properly trained and able to handle these types of situations safely and professionally.

I wouldn't be a copper for any amount of money but if you choose a career to uphold the law you should receive adequate training so you can derain and arrest criminals such as this guy without resorting to having to hold them by the head or neck

Spot on.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

No you clearly said why was the other one suspended as well..

No I didn’t, Cherie was saying why wasn’t he put on desk duty like the other one, so I said why would they be given the same punishment if the other one did nothing wrong

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Liam-

No I didn’t, Cherie was saying why wasn’t he put on desk duty like the other one, so I said why would they be given the same punishment if the other one did nothing wrong

Sorry...my mistake.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

No you clearly said why was the other one suspended as well..

Context is everything.

Originally Posted by Cherie

I am not saying he shouldn’t be reprimanded, I think suspension is severe until all the facts are known, desk duties like the other one ...then if it does come to light he is not suited to the force sack him

Originally Posted by Liam-

He’s been suspended while they investigate yes, the right cause of action, the other one wasn’t on the guys head/neck, so why would he be suspended as well?

Cherie asked why the suspended officer wasn't given desk duties like his colleague until the investigation was over. Liam question why they would receive the same treatment when his colleague wasn't to blame for his actions.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Take me for example, I’m a citizen, I’ve had no training to be a full time carer for my mother, I’ve been doing it for coming up 10 years, I’ve signed no contracts, I’ve taken no oaths, if someone in my position decided to give someone they’re caring for something they weren’t prescribed and something went wrong, all because they thought they knew better than the doctors, they would be held responsible and rightfully punished, why should people who do train to do their jobs but choose to ignore their training and do it their own way and potentially put people in danger, be held to a lesser standard?

I know you aren't looking for any praise for your caring for your Mother.
However I'd like to please commend you in all you're doing.

I have strong concerns for my Mum at present and I'm ensuring I'm doing every single thing right to ensure her safety in this pandemic.
No room for mistakes at all.

You are right.
There are things and duties we do which if a mistake was made, would be catastrophic and tragic.
You as your Mother's carer is a strong example.

Thinking again now to the topic of this thread boils down to, for in law, for the law to be upheld and justice to be properly served,then those employed to uphold the law, also need to abide by it and their strict training to do so.

There's cases in law, where if the police have NOT followed their training and right procedures, where the cases have been thrown out.

That's why, the police have to uphold the law, WITHIN the law.
They ARE expected to go that extra mile to avoid any mistakes or suspicion they acted against their training and profession.

I believe they did act against their training in this incident.
Which if left unaddressed, could reflect on the whole police force.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Context is everything.





Cherie asked why the suspended officer wasn't given desk duties like his colleague until the investigation was over. Liam question why they would receive the same treatment when his colleague wasn't to blame for his actions.

You need to respond quicker if you want to get your two pennies worth in...

We’ve moved on...keep up.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

You need to respond quicker if you want to get your two pennies worth in...

We’ve moved on...keep up.

Oh NO, you posted before I posted mine. THE WORLD IS ENDING.



Responding to a public thread "getting your two pennies worth in". Grow up.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

You've got to nip that kind of behaviour in the bud or it will grow and this story will be a reminder for other officers to stick to their training.

Originally Posted by Dezzy

People should take the police to task when they do wrong, when the police makes mistakes, it puts peoples' lives in danger.

Yeah, maybe that cop should have been suspended or something.

[caprimint]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Because in light of what happened to George Floyd, a black man who died when an officer knelt on his neck, it needs to be highlighted when our own Police Officers are undertaking questionable arrest techniques. In light of the current high level of feeling about Police brutality here and in the States directed at Black people in particular, we need to clamp down on the heavy handed arrests and make sure our Officers are properly trained and able to handle these types of situations safely and professionally.

I wouldn't be a copper for any amount of money but if you choose a career to uphold the law you should receive adequate training so you can derain and arrest criminals such as this guy without resorting to having to hold them by the head or neck

No Annie... it does not need to be highlighted right here right now. That is literally the issue with this thread. This thread should not have been been a relevant thread to begin with, nor WOULD have been about 3 months prior to this.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Oh NO, you posted before I posted mine. THE WORLD IS ENDING.



Responding to a public thread "getting your two pennies worth in". Grow up.

....I need to grow up ....just look at your post