[Niamh.]

@MeetDaye are an organic tampon subscription box service, and they're running a survey on the shared experience of menstruation. This survey is inclusive of #trans identities and they'd love to hear from people of all genders!


Just not women apparently

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

@MeetDaye are an organic tampon subscription box service, and they're running a survey on the shared experience of menstruation. This survey is inclusive of #trans identities and they'd love to hear from people of all genders!


Just not women apparently

I think they forgot to tell the person who wrote the survey then, because ALL of the questions are clearly geared towards trans men/non-binary. They don't even make sense in any other context.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I agree up to a a point, but take the 13 year old mentioned earlier in the thread would you expect a female of that age to go into a male changing area in school for instance?

you didn't respond to this Liam, I used a 13 year old transitioning female how comfortable do you think they would feel in the boys changing rooms for PE?

there are alot of gray areas that need alot of attention and looking at, and in instances above I would say being separate would be the kindest option?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Withano

If the product is not exclusively for females, why are people adamant that the packaging must say females? “I know it’s not for females, but I want it to say females because I use it and I’m a female and **** the men that use it”? Is literally what this translates to. Which I knew all along I suppose lol.

Honestly I can’t imagine many people would give a single **** if they removed the word ‘male’ from condoms. But I can’t imagine caring over something so petty in the first place

You're missing the point. Your argument is that it's insensitive to those transitioning from F to M. I'm asking why the same discussion isn't happening for those transitioning from M to F who use condoms. They are not exclusively for 'males'.

Is it not the same, Where is the debate on this?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

@MeetDaye are an organic tampon subscription box service, and they're running a survey on the shared experience of menstruation. This survey is inclusive of #trans identities and they'd love to hear from people of all genders!


Just not women apparently

Thanks for this Niamh it really does prove that women are being squeezed our of any discussion on this issue for some reason.
My solution is to feature both on the box, that for me would be truly inclusive. To just erase one as a solution without acknowledging the reason for the change is not progress.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Withano

If the product is not exclusively for females, why are people adamant that the packaging must say females? “I know it’s not for females, but I want it to say females because I use it and I’m a female and **** the men that use it”? Is literally what this translates to. Which I knew all along I suppose lol.

Honestly I can’t imagine many people would give a single **** if they removed the word ‘male’ from condoms. But I can’t imagine caring over something so petty in the first place

Of course they're specifically for females, no-one but females can menstrate. Same with condoms - only males have penises.

Maybe instead of "man" and "woman" the biological terms "male" and "female" should be used? That way they're included if they identify as the opposite to their sex.

[Ammi]

....hmmm, I don’t know with the survey because it does read like erasing/excluding of ‘woman’....which is very odd for a survey about menstruation etc...I think though, is all I can figure, anyway../...as TS said .. ‘ALL of the questions are clearly geared towards /otherwise they don’t make sense....’...so for a specific reason of trying to be all inclusive as much as possible and so frequent surveys to be able to always include all...


...a slogan of Daye seems to be... ‘It's a new Daye in all things female health’...they have a great website actually because they say how long a read, a certain section will be as well..(5 min read /8 min read etc..)..an ‘advice/help’ section and they have many sections and much advice ...so they do seem to be very much encompassing of all ...they have a section ‘Women’s Health’...and then under that they have things like...‘How Ovarian Transplants May Be The Future Of Menopause Treatment‘...and.... ‘Why Are Black Women Disproportionately Affected By BV & Thrush?‘...I didn’t know that black women were affected more, it’s all very informative stuff and very much supporting of womanhood, I think...another section is ‘Sustainability’...and looks at how eco-friendly etc...’Cultural Musings’ is another section...with a topic of... ‘How To Be Believed When Doctors Take Women’s Pain Less Seriously‘...so really supportive of all things woman, Daye seems to be...yeah the survey is odd and feels quite excluding but it must be targeting something specific, is the only thing I can think...



https://yourdaye.com/

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You're missing the point. Your argument is that it's insensitive to those transitioning from F to M. I'm asking why the same discussion isn't happening for those transitioning from M to F who use condoms. They are not exclusively for 'males'.

Is it not the same, Where is the debate on this?

Start a debate on it? I couldn’t care less if they get rid of the word male from ‘male condoms’ and I have no idea if others do. Doesn’t make much sense to me if you’re asking me personally.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Of course they're specifically for females, no-one but females can menstrate. Same with condoms - only males have penises.

Maybe instead of "man" and "woman" the biological terms "male" and "female" should be used? That way they're included if they identify as the opposite to their sex.

you adore roundabouts you.

[Marsh.]

You don't think there's an issue. That's fine.

Others having a different viewpoint is not transphobic. It's a childish way of trying to close the discussion.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

You don't think there's an issue. That's fine.

Others having a different viewpoint is not transphobic. It's a childish way of trying to close the discussion.

It’s not transphobic to be confused over the change. It is transphobic to say that transmen are females and the change should be reverted. That’s not a childish way to shut down an argument. That’s a fact to eat up and accept or ignorantly ignore

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

It’s not transphobic to be confused over the change. It is transphobic to say that transmen are females and the change should be reverted. That’s not a childish way to shut down an argument. That’s a fact to eat up and accept or ignorantly ignore

The change should be reverted? What does that mean?

It's not in anyway transphobic to say that transmen who menstruate still have their female biology. That's just a basic fact regardless of how people "feel".

Pussyfooting around feelings with anything does not change reality.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Withano

Start a debate on it? I couldn’t care less if they get rid of the word male from ‘male condoms’ and I have no idea if others do. Doesn’t make much sense to me if you’re asking me personally.

Hmm you're very invested in this discussion but when it comes to removing the word male you couldnt care less? OK.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Withano

It’s not transphobic to be confused over the change. It is transphobic to say that transmen are females and the change should be reverted. That’s not a childish way to shut down an argument. That’s a fact to eat up and accept or ignorantly ignore

Again you are skirting around the issue. It doesn't help anyone removing text...add text. Say they are for women and transmen, what's the issue with that?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Again you are skirting around the issue. It doesn't help anyone removing text...add text. Say they are for women and transmen, what's the issue with that?

Yep, can't see how anyone could have a reasonable objection to that?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Withano

you adore roundabouts you.

I'm not sure what you mean by this? I've not heard a single reason not to use "sexed language", boiling it down to biology gets rid of needing to dance around the way people identify.

Some females might identify as men or "nonbinary" lol but they'll never be not female...

[LeatherTrumpet]

Every human needs to feel important.
When you can't conventially you find other ways

[Elliot]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Say they are for women and transmen, what's the issue with that?

No I don’t think anyone would have an issue with that

[Elliot]

The only people that would have an issue with that would be some TERFs as some of them argue ‘Woman’ encompasses both of those

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Not at all the product can be produced with both words .....hows that for equality

For women

For people who menstruate

Everyones happy

Originally Posted by Liam-

Does ‘people who menstruate’ not cover all basis? What’s wrong with inclusivity?

Originally Posted by Elliot

No I don’t think anyone would have an issue with that

You would think?

[Oliver_W]

It's almost comedic at this point.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

It's almost comedic at this point.

Why is always "woman" though? never man

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Why is always "woman" though? never man

mxn

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Why is always "woman" though? never man

probably something to do with transwomen being raised with male socialization, and demanding things be changed to accommodate them? That's one theory I've heard as to why you don't hear much from transmen.

[Cherie]

or even better m?n