[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

If people who call themselves white supremacists want to go on little marches, then good - they'll expose themselves to the world, and crap on their chances of finding work and probably ruin their social lives. Better to give people a chance to make their own beds. It's not like they're gonna change any minds or win people over.

But if their marches turn violent, then crack down on 'em.

The problem is that they weren't just going on 5 man marches, They were going on massively funded protests. They would be openly chanting and singing racist songs about Jews and others. The movement is on the rise, so dismissing it and criticising the people arguing or marching against it, is more than a little out of place. See the difference in the way you talk about antifa and the way you talk about the far right. One of those things only came back to combat what the other group was doing, and you have a problem with the wrong ones.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

The problem is that they weren't just going on 5 man marches, They were going on massively funded protests. They would be openly chanting and singing racist songs about Jews and others. The movement is on the rise, so dismissing it and criticising the people arguing or marching against it, is more than a little out of place. See the difference in the way you talk about antifa and the way you talk about the far right. One of those things only came back to combat what the other group was doing, and you have a problem with the wrong ones.

The problem are the ones who use violence. If the white supremacists use violence, they become the problem. Likewise with BLM/Antifa marches.

If they're massively funded, that money is going down the drain because no-one would look at those yobbos and think they're worth listening to.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

This wave of antifa as bogeyman has cropped up in response to the fact that open white supremacy is on the march and rise again. The crowds now known as antifa didn't suddenly wake up one morning and decided to protest nothing for no reason, and yet the reason they even exist is being completely and intentionally glossed over and ignored.

The reason any extreme exists is because of a game of ideological table tennis that has been going on... Forever... Although the Internet has served as a catalyst to put things into a gear that was never possible before now. I think it's only reasonable to appreciate that extreme right wing ideologies are more active and dangerous than any other, primarily because those ideologies are the ones that have tendrils that worm into pretty much every system of power and thus they are the ones with the real control, but in terms of tactics and methodology humans are humans and the ways they clump together, organise and propagate are always going to have similarities.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

The problem is that they weren't just going on 5 man marches, They were going on massively funded protests. They would be openly chanting and singing racist songs about Jews and others. The movement is on the rise, so dismissing it and criticising the people arguing or marching against it, is more than a little out of place. See the difference in the way you talk about antifa and the way you talk about the far right. One of those things only came back to combat what the other group was doing, and you have a problem with the wrong ones.

Take Charlottesville - a counter protester was murdered when a dude drove at ridiculous speed into a crows, and another guy was firing shots into a crowd.

The president came out and said there were good people on both sides.

[Liam-]

So racists marching with torches chanting racially abusive chants about Jews aren’t a problem?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Liam-

So racists marching with torches chanting racially abusive chants about Jews aren’t a problem?

Record them and get their faces, share it around. And if they escalate their marches, release the cops. It might well be a problem, but it's better for such people to show themselves.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Record them and get their faces, share it around. And if they escalate their marches, release the cops. It might well be a problem, but it's better for such people to show themselves.

lol won't help, since those racists will not be punished thx to their racist colleagues in the police force

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Record them and get their faces, share it around. And if they escalate their marches, release the cops. It might well be a problem, but it's better for such people to show themselves.

I've seen you calling for asylum seekers to be killed, so I have to say I'm surprised by the revelation that the far right need to have their pictures taken.

Maybe see if we can get family ones done in shopping centres

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I've seen you calling for asylum seekers to be killed, so I have to say I'm surprised by the revelation that the far right need to have their pictures taken.

Maybe see if we can get family ones done in shopping centres

I've never advocated for anyone to be killed, I've called for in-action. Leaving things to passively happen due to Darwinism isn't the same as wanting some action to be taken.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I've never advocated for anyone to be killed, I've called for in-action. Leaving things to passively happen due to Darwinism isn't the same as wanting some action to be taken.

Pretty sure you mentioned snipers, which is a bit different to letting things happen naturally, and is also a fairly abhorrent way to view other humans.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Pretty sure you mentioned snipers, which is a bit different to letting things happen naturally, and is also a fairly abhorrent way to view other humans.

I can't remember saying that, but whenever it was I take it back. Unless I was on the wind-up that must have been at least two years ago?

Nah I don't associate with the left or the right. I'm probably somewhere between old school liberal and anarchy

[Barry.]

I don’t get the complaining

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Barry.

I don’t get the complaining

Yeah that's where i stand on this tbh.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Barry.

I don’t get the complaining

Ofcom complains are about literally anything these days in the tooo PC world

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I can't remember saying that, but whenever it was I take it back. Unless I was on the wind-up that must have been at least two years ago?

That's CHEATING, you're not allowed to switch sides mid-game.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Barry.

I don’t get the complaining

Originally Posted by Swan

Yeah that's where i stand on this tbh.

Given thought yes I think my thoughts on this are simpler than when I first came into the thread.

ITV choose to air BGT, the people who produce BGT choose which acts they have on to perform, it's their channel/their show so they can do what they want with it. If people don't like the show they've chosen to show/make, they can change the channel.

Theres not much more to be said about it really. Ofcom complaints should be for things that completely and clearly cross a line, and this obviously doesn't.

[bots]

calling ofcom is something that "busy bodys" do. As has been said the best form of censorship is to change channel. I dont understand the need to censor what other people want to watch

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

That's CHEATING, you're not allowed to switch sides mid-game.

Honestly my political views through the past few years have been swinging all over the place, the consistent thing has been environmentalism; that's what informs most of my views tbh - I want less immigration because the fewer people we have, the less building over green areas we'll need. A bit simplistic perhaps, but heyho.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Swan

What about all the looting and destruction? Is that everyone else's fault too?

Youtube video

The pattern is there, it doesn't matter to anyone if you accept it or not.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

The pattern is there, it doesn't matter to anyone if you accept it or not.

That has nothing to do with the video posted.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

So some people were posting stupid tweets, handing out fliers, and putting stickers up?

One of the sources used in the article with a misplaced apostrphe in the heading said this:


To think either side is without fault in the riots is naive, to say the least.

I put that article in because I knew you'd jump at it, while discarding everything else and downplaying it. Very predictable. I wanted to see how you'd take the news sources and you reacted exactly how I thought. Your first instinct is to spin and downplay, you focused so hard on the one article that supports your own agenda that you disregarded the complete image that those few links present. There's a concentrated effort by White Supremacists to disturb protests and present BLM as a violent organisation, sometimes it's through Twitter or 'passive' ways like spreading hatefuelled propaganda, other times it's through rioting and looting and inciting others to do the same.

This is why you do your own research, by demanding it from others, you give them the power to lead the discussion. I didn't post those links to change your mind but to highlight the flaws in your thinking by adding one article that would appeal to your own agenda so you would disregard everything else in favour of that.

Also, your 'both sides' narrative doesn't pan out since you're confusing Antifa, a non-existent organisation for BLM. There's one side that's worse than the other in this situation and it's not BLM.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Swan

That has nothing to do with the video posted.

And your video has no relevance to what I'm saying.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

There's one side that's worse than the other in this situation and it's not BLM.

It's whoever does the worst things. In some cases that's BLM, in others it's the white supremacist saboteurs. Their broader aims and views go out the window when it kicks off.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

And your video has no relevance to what I'm saying.

Yes it does. You're saying all violence is incited by right wingers or people against BLM. The video is of protesters looting and acting in an aggressive, destructive manner. So it disproves your view that all violence is caused by anyone but the protesters.

Hows does smashing up a shop and stealing high end clothes/shoes, and even setting fire to them after help black lives?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

It's whoever does the worst things. In some cases that's BLM, in others it's the white supremacist saboteurs. Their broader aims and views go out the window when it kicks off.

I'd personally say the side that are killing people are worse, but go off sis.