[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Trump has nothing to do with this discussion. Comparing the two is laughable. Rose speaks so much sense, have you even listened to her?

It’s not laughable, saying ‘but a transwoman agreed with her!’ Doesn’t mean the way she’s gone about her ‘concerns’ about the trans community is right or shouldn’t be criticised

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Liam-

It’s not laughable, saying ‘but a transwoman agreed with her!’ Doesn’t mean the way she’s gone about her ‘concerns’ about the trans community is right or shouldn’t be criticised

Hang on a second there Liam, you are misrepresenting how this conversation went, I didn't say "but a transwoman agreed with her" I said there was a transwoman giving her opinion on the show this morning in direct reply to you saying trans people weren't being listened to, it's not my fault that transwoman didn't share your opinion

And for the record I don't need validation from trans people to believe women's and children's rights need to be taken in to account when discussing solutions that will work for everyone

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Hang on a second there Liam, you are misrepresenting how this conversation went, I didn't say "but a transwoman agreed with her" I said there was a transwoman giving her opinion on the show this morning in direct reply to you saying trans people weren't being listened to, it's not my fault that transwoman didn't share your opinion

And for the record I don't need validation from trans people to believe women's and children's rights need to be taken in to account when discussing solutions that will work for everyone

Right, but with all due respect, would you be highlighting her if she had disagreed with you and Jk? I very much doubt it, that’s my point, trans people who genuinely want to have a discussion about it, won’t be acknowledged by people like JK because it doesn’t fit their narrative that trans people and advocates are reactionary monsters who just want to abuse people

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liam-

won’t be acknowledged by people like JK because it doesn’t fit their narrative that trans people are reactionary monsters who just want to abuse people

But there is literally no indication that this is the case, nor any attempt to demonstrate that this is the case other than "a feeling" - WHERE has there been any indication that JK Rowling isn't willing to discuss the issue with transpeople who want to have an actual evidence-based discussion about it (not a feelings-based rant). I'm actually asking. Can you point me to it? Because otherwise the talk of there being "a narrative that trans people are monsters who want to abuse people"... does feel pretty reactionary.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Right, but with all due respect, would you be highlighting her if she had disagreed with you and Jk? I very much doubt it, that’s my point, trans people who genuinely want to have a discussion about it, won’t be acknowledged by people like JK because it doesn’t fit their narrative that trans people and advocates are reactionary monsters who just want to abuse people

Well that isn't my narrative, infact my thoughts on it are very much that transpeople are going to end up being damaged as much by transactivists. I would love a solution to this that is beneficial to everyone and I would love to hear a good discussion about it without the word terf or transphobe being thrown around every two minutes. I absolutely do not think all transpeople are reactionary monsters wanting to abuse people. I'm only ever speaking about the large vocal social media folk here who are taking over this whole topic and trying to intimidate people into shutting up

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liam-

It’s not laughable, saying ‘but a transwoman agreed with her!’ Doesn’t mean the way she’s gone about her ‘concerns’ about the trans community is right or shouldn’t be criticised

Yes but criticising would involve pointing out flawed, biased or insufficiently backed up thinking to criticise. "Das transphobia!" / "She is a transphobe!" / "That is offensive to transpeople!" is not criticism.