[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Swan

Good luck to them then. I still don't think they'll be successful.

Well, the accusations are there everyone to see, he did it and he has no defence for it

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Katie Hopkins was bankrupted in a defamation suit for falsely accusing someone of a crime

..yeah, I do think that Laurence Fox is playing a dangerous game atm...it can be played for a while in ‘feeding off prejudice’ but it’s not a game that gives any wins in the end, as it hasn’t for Katie...it’s a very ‘short game’, I think and it may make him unemployable or much less employable etc...

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Swan

Good.

On twitter?

It was on a public forum on the internet yes, I think it was Twitter, but whether it was or not is slightly irrelevant in these cases

[Tom4784]

Good, I hope they take everything that failed actor has.

Libel is libel, if you call someone a peadophile as a random retort and that post is likely to be seen by a lot of people then it can cause damage by people who will take it at face value and anyone who follows that twat probably is gullible enough to believe everything he says.

Calling two well known LGBT activists peadophiles with no reason or rhyme to it is pure homophobia. There's no downplaying this as some spat on Social Media.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Ammi

Recent events have made it clear that a false and defamatory statement posted on Twitter or in a blog is not immune from legal action. If a tweet or blog post is defamatory, untrue and cannot be defended, the maker of the statement can be liable for defamation and for substantial damages.

https://www.taylorwessing.com/downlo...ial_media.html


...there are lots more articles, Swan ...but that one was the top of the page when I googled...

...I mean, it just make sense to me that Twitter can’t give ‘immunity’ to lawsuit...

I'll read that in a second. Im not saying it should give immunity, im saying the sheer number of insults/false accusations posted on twitter everyday will make it hard for anyone to be successful when suing. It'll will have a knock on effect that no system, civil, legal or otherwise will be able to cope with.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Swan

I'll read that in a second. Im not saying it should give immunity, im saying the sheer number of insults/false accusations posted on twitter everyday will make it hard for anyone to be successful when suing. It'll will have a knock on effect that no system, civil, legal or otherwise will be able to cope with.

all it needs is a couple of high profile successful cases before people understand that they are not free to write anything they feel like without consequence

[Shaun]

I think there's a pretty distinct line between being called a racist and a paedophile. One is a crime and the other is not; implying someone is a paedophile is literally accusing them of crimes they have not committed. There was a recent case with Justin Bieber I think, where he sued two women who made up allegations (on Twitter) that he had raped them, and I believe that was successful. Being called a racist is unpleasant (if you aren't one, anyway, so that doesn't apply here) but it isn't false witness.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Swan

I'll read that in a second. Im not saying it should give immunity, im saying the sheer number of insults/false accusations posted on twitter everyday will make it hard for anyone to be successful when suing. It'll will have a knock on effect that no system, civil, legal or otherwise will be able to cope with.

...it was only two tweets that more or less cost Kate Hopkins her hues and bankrupted her...but yeah I mean, social media’s like Twitter or huge for abuse and now libel it would seem is the way it’s going...so if the system isn’t able to cope...?..then it would have to be expanded to enable it to cope because things like this can’t be not acted on...

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Swan

I'll read that in a second. Im not saying it should give immunity, im saying the sheer number of insults/false accusations posted on twitter everyday will make it hard for anyone to be successful when suing. It'll will have a knock on effect that no system, civil, legal or otherwise will be able to cope with.

You're being quite gross here with your downplaying. This wasn't some trading of insults, Crystal isn't suing because that flop called her a dickhead. She's suing because he accused her and another prominent LGBT voice of being peadophiles based on nothing but their sexuality. That's not an insult, that's an accusation and a both a grave and false one at that.

The system isn't going to collapse because a flop actor will be made to face the consequences of his actions.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

all it needs is a couple of high profile successful cases before people understand that they are not free to write anything they feel like without consequence

...yeah, and I think that, that’s the one ‘good’ that Katie Hopkins has done...it took a while for her...but I think now..?...lawsuits will be auctioned more quickly if applicable...

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

You're being quite gross here with your downplaying. This wasn't some trading of insults, Crystal isn't suing because that flop called her a dickhead. She's suing because he accused her and another prominent LGBT voice of being peadophiles based on nothing but their sexuality. That's not an insult, that's an accusation and a both a grave and false one at that.

The system isn't going to collapse because a flop actor will be made to face the consequences of his actions.

I've said 'false accusations' twice now, did you miss that part?

Also, you are literally missing my whole point here, as usual.

[Liam-]

Let’s not forget Cliff Richard suing the dicks off of the British media and police for what happened to him

[Oliver_W]

What did his tweets actually say? Was it something like "a load of paedos are moaning at me" or did he directly call those two people paedos?

[Mitchell]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

What did his tweets actually say? Was it something like "a load of paedos are moaning at me" or did he directly call those two people paedos?

He quoted their tweets and directly called them paedophiles.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

What did his tweets actually say? Was it something like "a load of paedos are moaning at me" or did he directly call those two people paedos?

Directly

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Mitchell

He quoted their tweets and directly called them paedophiles.

oops, then yeah, sue him.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Swan

I've said 'false accusations' twice now, did you miss that part?

Also, you are literally missing my whole point here, as usual.

Your point is quite basic, it's not difficult to grasp.

It doesn't matter that you mentioned false accusations out of obligation because you've downplayed these accusations of insults by being all like 'But if everyone sues each other over insults, the system will collapse1!!11!'

Falsely accusing someone of a crime is punishable by civil law and has been for decades, the system hasn't crashed and burned yet because most people don't go around accusing people of being peadophiles, and it won't crash and burn if Crystal gets her justice. It's all just hysteria on your part in an attempt to talk down what is a valid case.

[Braden]

It really was such a stupid retaliation on his part.

[Swan]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Your point is quite basic, it's not difficult to grasp.

It doesn't matter that you mentioned false accusations out of obligation because you've downplayed these accusations of insults by being all like 'But if everyone sues each other over insults, the system will collapse1!!11!'

Falsely accusing someone of a crime is punishable by civil law and has been for decades, the system hasn't crashed and burned yet because most people don't go around accusing people of being peadophiles, and it won't crash and burn if Crystal gets her justice. It's all just hysteria on your part in an attempt to talk down what is a valid case.

It's a lot more complex than that, as i've stated.

1. He's wrong - Yes
2. He should get sued - Yes
3. They should win - Yes

Im just stating it won't be that easy, considering twitter is a cesspool for 'false accusations' every day.

But you're arguing something i agree with you on, so don't see the point in continuing debating because it'll go nowhere.

There's a bigger picture here, just because i choose to look at this from every angle doesn't mean im downplaying anything.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Swan

It's a lot more complex than that, as i've stated.

1. He's wrong - Yes
2. He should get sued - Yes
3. They should win - Yes

Im just stating it won't be that easy, considering twitter is a cesspool for 'false accusations' every day.

But you're arguing something i agree with you on, so don't see the point in continuing debating because it'll go nowhere.

There's a bigger picture here, just because i choose to look at this from every angle doesn't mean im downplaying anything.

Gays are a protected group, so the false accusation will probably have more weight though.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Another day another extreme left abomination, like trump must die

[UserSince2005]

They should just **** and make up. Laurence is defo a bottom.

[DouglasS]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Good, I hope they take everything that failed actor has.

Libel is libel, if you call someone a peadophile as a random retort and that post is likely to be seen by a lot of people then it can cause damage by people who will take it at face value and anyone who follows that twat probably is gullible enough to believe everything he says.

Calling two well known LGBT activists peadophiles with no reason or rhyme to it is pure homophobia. There's no downplaying this as some spat on Social Media.

I mean he’s not a failed actor? He was acting for multiple decades in a popular Tv show as a main character, as well as in one or two Hollywood movies.

Just don’t see why because he is racist his past successes are now regarded as failures


I also think suing people over tweets and insults is extremely childish and exactly the ‘woke’ culture he is talking about. Normal people just brush it off and know it’s someone clutching at straws when they’re insulting them.

Everyone has been insulted or called something malicilously or as a joke before. ActualMy suing someone is pretty pathetic and a waste of other peoples time imo

[DouglasS]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Your point is quite basic, it's not difficult to grasp.

It doesn't matter that you mentioned false accusations out of obligation because you've downplayed these accusations of insults by being all like 'But if everyone sues each other over insults, the system will collapse1!!11!'

Falsely accusing someone of a crime is punishable by civil law and has been for decades, the system hasn't crashed and burned yet because most people don't go around accusing people of being peadophiles, and it won't crash and burn if Crystal gets her justice. It's all just hysteria on your part in an attempt to talk down what is a valid case.

This crystal just seems butt hurt and a massive attention seeker tbh

Swan is clearly saying that probably hundreds of people a day on Twitter are accused of things or called a paedo when they are not as an insult. All these hundreds of people just ignore it and block it, or laugh it off...

Since when has the nation Been filled with baby snowflakes that cry at any insult (even if it is defamation) and go to the law/civil case

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

This crystal just seems butt hurt and a massive attention seeker tbh

He got called a paedo, that's piss most people off. And of course he's an attention seeker, he's a drag queen lol