[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah. You also get the impression that people just want to believe Johnny is completely innocent because he's a well loved good looking actor, it feels to me that people in general (not always just men either) are more comfortable with the woman being the bad one and the liar. Initially, people believed Amber because of some recordings but when some others came out to show her acting abusive it was like people were so relieved they could now act like Johnny was the poor manipulated good guy when that really does not seem to be the case at all, it looks very much like both of them acted abusive and aggressive.

BIB - I feel the media and social media is far more comfortable with the "wife beater" mentality, as evidenced by the response to the trial.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

BIB - I feel the media and social media is far more comfortable with the "wife beater" mentality, as evidenced by the response to the trial.

I don't know Marsh, I've seen a lot more people backing Johnny on here and on social media

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't know Marsh, I've seen a lot more people backing Johnny on here and on social media

I see that more as backing him within his legal battle against The Sun, for which he had my full support.

This "win for Amber" twisting of the whole thing does not sit right at all for me. If the court case did anything, it was highlight the toxicity of the relationship on both sides. The slanting of it to now be that the "victim" has had her justification is repulsive to me and damaging for male victims of domestic abuse. How on earth can they feel comfortable coming forward as it is, and now they have to contend with a famous female abuser being presented as the victim? Stop the world I want to get off.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I see that more as backing him within his legal battle against The Sun, for which he had my full support.

This "win for Amber" twisting of the whole thing does not sit right at all for me. If the court case did anything, it was highlight the toxicity of the relationship on both sides. The slanting of it to now be that the "victim" has had her justification is repulsive to me and damaging for male victims of domestic abuse. How on earth can they feel comfortable coming forward as it is, and now they have to contend with a famous female abuser being presented as the victim? Stop the world I want to get off.

I do agree with you that there seemed to be 2 of them in it, in this abusive relationship but if what the articles said were true as decided by court, then why would he pursue them as being false? It comes across to me that Johnny saw that the tide hide turned on public opinion and he was the one getting the sympathy now and he thought he could ride that wave all the way to the newspapers. His actions aren't helpful to any victims - and they are his actions -

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I do agree with you that there seemed to be 2 of them in it, in this abusive relationship but if what the articles said were true as decided by court, then why would he pursue them as being false? It comes across to me that Johnny saw that the tide hide turned on public opinion and he was the one getting the sympathy now and he thought he could ride that wave all the way to the newspapers. His actions aren't helpful to any victims - and they are his actions -

Clearly for the same reasons she did, they're at war with each other, part of that is playing the victim.

This is why I find it sickening that anyone would describe this as in anyway a positive for victims of domestic abuse.

It seems some people can see the imbalance when it favours the man, but not when it's favouring the woman, that's extremely problematic.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Clearly for the same reasons she did, they're at war with each other, part of that is playing the victim.

This is why I find it sickening that anyone would describe this as in anyway a positive for victims of domestic abuse.

Yes but he is the one who is suing the Newspaper here not her

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yes but he is the one who is suing the Newspaper here not her

I never said she had?

I said they've both brought the details of their relationship into the limelight in an effort to expose the other, and to defend themselves.

Him exposing her actions = misogynistic victim blaming
Her exposing his actions = a win for domestic abuse victims

That's just... all kinds of wrong.