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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I see it the same but sort of different in mutual domestic abuse cases - both of them are victims and both of them are abusers. The circumstances and mindsets that lead people into these sorts of relationships is usually pretty tragic and I don't think being an abuser negates someone also being a victim. I think the two of them have made a HUGE mess.

Yes I guess so. I feel like maybe in Depps case that he doesn't mix well with the partying lifestyle and alcohol/drugs in general and maybe that's why he had a calmer relationship with Vanessa Paradis and Winona Ryder but an "allegedly" more fiery relationship with Kate Moss - I know the actual abuse allegations are just accusations so I'm not even talking about that but there were reports back then of him thrashing hotel rooms and having verbally aggressive arguments with Kate, I think being with Kate was much more on the party scene as well.

Actually just to add when I say the victim, I meant that there wasn't The Victim and The abuser, if you know what i mean?