[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I never said she had?

I said they've both brought the details of their relationship into the limelight in an effort to expose the other, and to defend themselves.

Him exposing her actions = misogynistic victim blaming
Her exposing his actions = a win for domestic abuse victims

That's just... all kinds of wrong.

I don't think that's what Ammi had said though, I wouldn't like to speak for her but isn't this the first actually proven instance of abuse happening in the whole saga? Not just them throwing mud at each other

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't think that's what Ammi had said though, I wouldn't like to speak for her but isn't this the first actually proven instance of abuse happening in the whole saga? Not just them throwing mud at each other

I would call the recordings ironclad proof. But that's up to individuals.

Also, my posts aren't all directed at Ammi.

Edit - Yes, let me just clarify I'm not having a go at Ammi, but the entire representation/attitude to this I've seen in the media/social media/on TV since the verdict.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I would call the recordings ironclad proof. But that's up to individuals.

Also, my posts aren't all directed at Ammi.

Edit - Yes, let me just clarify I'm not having a go at Ammi, but the entire representation/attitude to this I've seen in the media/social media/on TV since the verdict.

...the thing is though, it’s not really judging Amber, though because it’s specific to what he did...as in he said the Sun were lying and they weren’t ...(...is the finding...)...that it was truth...So acknowledging his abuse as a court proved fact...also has to acknowledge Amber’s victim of abuse as a court proved fact also fact, also...that doesn’t mean that he wasn’t a victim also, that would have to also be assessed in a court...but that doesn’t take from her being a victim...

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

So acknowledging his abuse as a court proved fact...also has to acknowledge Amber’s victim of abuse as a court proved fact also fact, also...

No. COMPLETELY disagree.

This was not a domestic abuse trial.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

No. COMPLETELY disagree.

This was not a domestic abuse trial.

...no it wasn’t but, I understand that...but there was specific note made by the judge that at least 12 abuse allegations were found to be truth by him and the court...therefore there had to be a victim of those at least 12 truths...

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...no it wasn’t but, I understand that...but there was specific note made by the judge that at least 12 abuse allegations were found to be truth by him and the court...therefore there had to be a victim of those at least 12 truths...

Completely disagree.

The presentation of facts within a context is key.

Him abusing Heard is one context.
Him abusing Heard and being on the receiving end of abuse from Heard is an entirely different context.

So, you can say "technically" The Sun cherry picked "facts" of actions Depp carried out. Are those facts a "whole truth" that accurately represent an "abuser" and a "victim"? No. It's a technicality.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Completely disagree.

The presentation of facts within a context is key.

...but the courts felt that the contexts were there for the ruling of ‘truths’...anyways, later alligator...I’m off.....