[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by SherzyK

The waiting is the worst part. Going to sleep last night, confident that the counting would have been done only to wake up 7 hours later and nothings changed

I was finding that odd, it feels like they've been 253 v 214 for about a year now Unless the map thing I'm looking at takes a while to update not even the percentages of votes counted have budged...

[Nicky91]

Alaska would put trump then at 254, so yeah he needs Arizona, and its not looking like that will happen (knocks on wood)

so yeah the best thing what can happen now (for all our stress levels) is for confirmation of Biden winning Arizona, so Trump misses out on those crucial points

[The Slim Reaper]

Basically Trump has only one way to get the votes, and Biden has a few.

[DouglasS]

Even if Biden gets 70% of the remaining Georgia ballots he will lose it. He needs more than 75%, which is looking very difficult.

There’s only a 18k difference, but there is only about 50k ballots to be counted, meaning to overtake he needs 35k of those 50k ballots compared with trump getting less than 15k.

Yea Biden is closing the gap, getting around 65-70% of postal votes, but to pull off 75% would be difficult

[bots]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I was finding that odd, it feels like they've been 253 v 214 for about a year now Unless the map thing I'm looking at takes a while to update not even the percentages of votes counted have budged...

they all worked for 48 hours straight, so they were all basically exhausted and went home for a kip i think

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

they all worked for 48 hours straight, so they were all basically exhausted and went home for a kip i think

hmm okay, I didn't realise they were given sleep breaks I'd have thought it'd be in shifts so there's always counters, but heyho!

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

Even if Biden gets 70% of the remaining Georgia ballots he will lose it. He needs more than 75%, which is looking very difficult.

There’s only a 18k difference, but there is only about 50k ballots to be counted, meaning to overtake he needs 35k of those 50k ballots compared with trump getting less than 15k.

Yea Biden is closing the gap, getting around 65-70% of postal votes, but to pull off 75% would be difficult

Welcome to the genuine discussion.

[Samm]

About Georgia!

60K+ votes left, and all mail ins! great for biden. let’s go democracy

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Basically Trump has only one way to get the votes, and Biden has a few.

Biden can also get to 290 in theory

since he is gaining ground in PA (i saw what CNN showed us just now in that hour by hour graphic yesterday till now)

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

Biden can also get to 290 in theory

since he is gaining ground in PA (i saw what CNN showed us just now in that hour by hour graphic yesterday till now)

In theory he can still hit 306 semi-realistically, although not likely.

[Nicky91]

Arizona, it gets a little tighter now and 450k votes left to be counted so Trump could still take that, but not if there are 226k Biden votes, then he has the majority there

so still kinda stressful over there

[Tom4784]

I'm so sick of all of this now. GET YOUR ASSES IN GEAR, REMAINING STATES.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

In theory he can still hit 306 semi-realistically, although not likely.

That'd be better than a close one, if it came down to one or two states it won't be over for a looong time, whereas if Trump gets totally buttfucked there's more chance that will be the end of it.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

That'd be better than a close one, if it came down to one or two states it won't be over for a looong time, whereas if Trump gets totally buttfucked there's more chance that will be the end of it.

I agree, anything close he has a chance to con with all the court packing he's been doing, but if he needs to argue in multiple states it's far less likely he gets anyone to take him seriously.

[SherzyK]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I'm so sick of all of this now. GET YOUR ASSES IN GEAR, REMAINING STATES.

[Cherie]

They need to knock posting votes on polling day on the head, its ridiculous, what if theres a load of votes stuck in some sorting office

[bots]

Originally Posted by Cherie

They need to knock posting votes on polling day on the head, its ridiculous, what if theres a load of votes stuck in some sorting office

There is a federal court case where there were thousands of missing ballots at post offices. The judge told them to do a sweep and deliver them to polling stations, and the boss of the post office (trump appointment) ignored it. They were ordered to do it again yesterday. The judge is losing patience, if they mess him around more, people will be going to jail

It would have a very big impact on the results in Florida and Texas

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

There is a federal court case where there were thousands of missing ballots at post offices. The judge told them to do a sweep and deliver them to polling stations, and the boss of the post office (trump appointment) ignored it. They were ordered to do it again yesterday. The judge is losing patience, if they mess him around more, people will be going to jail

It would have a very big impact on the results in Florida and Texas

Bloody hell, democracy my ass

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I agree, anything close he has a chance to con with all the court packing he's been doing, but if he needs to argue in multiple states it's far less likely he gets anyone to take him seriously.

Luckily, so far, I think most of the Trump appointees have been ruling without bias, I think I remember them siding with abortion laws in an abortion issue a while back despite everyone thinking they wouldn't.

I can't see them backing Trump out of loyalty, considering their own positions aren't at risk if he stays or goes, but they probably would be if they ruled against the facts.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Luckily, so far, I think most of the Trump appointees have been ruling without bias, I think I remember them siding with abortion laws in an abortion issue a while back despite everyone thinking they wouldn't.

I can't see them backing Trump out of loyalty, considering their own positions aren't at risk if he stays or goes, but they probably would be if they ruled against the facts.

If they were found guilty of actually messing with mail they would be in huge trouble as well, isn't that a federal offense?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

If they were found guilty of actually messing with mail they would be in huge trouble as well, isn't that a federal offense?

Yup, if or when Biden wins, there's gonna be a lot of people in these high positions ending up in orange jumpsuits.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

213
20
16
=
249

so even with PA, Georgia Trump has got not enough by far

He's at 214

+20 + 16 = 250

You missed North Carolina (15) and Alaska (3)

= 268

And he's looking to flip Arizona (11) which IMO is very possible

= 279 (Trump wins)

He's demanding recounts elsewhere etc but I think those are less likely to result in anything.

Anyway - Biden needs to either KEEP Arizona and win NV for a total of 270 - or flip Pennsylvania which alone puts him at 273 (both Biden win scenarios). He MIGHT keep both AND flip PA which would give him 290 - a more decisive win.

I don't see any other realistic voting scenarios.

However I think we're in for several weeks of Trump trying to upend multiple states if the election is called for Biden. This becomes LESS likely the further over 270 Biden goes.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Luckily, so far, I think most of the Trump appointees have been ruling without bias, I think I remember them siding with abortion laws in an abortion issue a while back despite everyone thinking they wouldn't.

I can't see them backing Trump out of loyalty, considering their own positions aren't at risk if he stays or goes, but they probably would be if they ruled against the facts.

The abortion laws were a supreme court issue when the court was 5-4, and it was the existing justice (Roberts) who was the deciding vote. It's 6-3 now, and Gorsuch and Kavanagh both gave opinions last week which seemed like providing a path to have votes thrown out. ACB has been trying to stop people voting for most of her career.

[user104658]

A controversial addendum: If Trump IS going to retain the presidency, it would be better for everyone if he wins the electoral college vote today without challenge (keeping the current reds and either AZ or NV flipping).

If the vote is called for Biden and overturned later in the courts in Trump's favour, there is going to be absolute chaos.

[Samm]

I think people need to be reminded. There is no evidence of voter fraud, voter fraud is likely by a percentage of 0.03% in all elections. Recounts also don’t bring up anything new unless the vote is under 1k.