[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

People like JK Rowling are concerned about women's rights and preserving them, she's not actually said anything transphobic at all, all she's ever spoken about was the erosion of our rights and of the language we use to describe ourselves

Just a question would you be ok for a trans person to use women’s facilities if they had full gender reassignment?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Just a question would you be ok for a trans person to use women’s facilities if they had full gender reassignment?

Well, transwomen have used women's toilets etc for years and really no women ever complained about it, I never had an issue with it, it's only in recent years where all the gender identity politics have taken over that it's become an issue, personally I think it's because the umbrella of what trans actually is nowadays has become so wide and basically anyone can say they're trans and you can't challenge that, it's become a meaningless phrase. It used to be transsexual but now it's transgender and there in lies the problem, sex has become meaningless according to trans-activists and this is a problem for women as the whole reason we needed our own sports and spaces was for sex based reasons, biology, nothing to do with a gender identity, women don't get raped because of their gender identity, we need segregated sports because of biological differences from men

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well, transwomen have used women's toilets etc for years and really no women ever complained about it, I never had an issue with it, it's only in recent years where all the gender identity politics have taken over that it's become an issue, personally I think it's because the umbrella of what trans actually is nowadays has become so wide and basically anyone can say they're trans and you can't challenge that, it's become a meaningless phrase. It used to be transsexual but now it's transgender and there in lies the problem, sex has become meaningless according to trans-activists and this is a problem for women as the whole reason we needed our own sports and spaces was for sex based reasons, biology, nothing to do with a gender identity, women don't get raped because of their gender identity, we need segregated sports because of biological differences from men

I get what you are saying, what about the same question but that person is on a woman’s hospital ward

[jet]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

I get what you are saying, what about the same question but that person is on a woman’s hospital ward

There are mixed wards nowadays and all wards have privacy screens anyway.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

I get what you are saying, what about the same question but that person is on a woman’s hospital ward

It's difficult for me to answer that really, like I said I wouldn't have had an issue with it years ago but I think this widening of the umbrella has made it very difficult for both women and I think it has for genuine transexuals, I think they're facing a push back from people who never would have because of the aggressive way women are being told to shut up and let basically anyone into their spaces/sports and raising concerns makes you a bigot.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's difficult for me to answer that really, like I said I wouldn't have had an issue with it years ago but I think this widening of the umbrella has made it very difficult for both women and I think it has for genuine transexuals, I think they're facing a push back from people who never would have because of the aggressive way women are being told to shut up and let basically anyone into their spaces/sports and raise concerns makes you a bigot.

Wise words.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

I get what you are saying, what about the same question but that person is on a woman’s hospital ward

There are lots of mixed-sex wards nowadays, but if there is a ward which is meant to just be for women ... It should only permit women.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

There are lots of mixed-sex wards nowadays, but if there is a ward which is meant to just be for women ... It should only permit women.

I can’t really answer as a woman because I’m not one but it my eyes I see someone who has had a full operation as a woman

In biological terms they can never be a woman but in term of living as a woman then they should be allowed to be on a woman’s ward

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

I can’t really answer as a woman because I’m not one but it my eyes I see someone who has had a full operation as a woman

In biological terms they can never be a woman but in term of living as a woman then they should be allowed to be on a woman’s ward

What is "living as a woman"?

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

What is "living as a woman"?

Having the same rights has a woman that was born female

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

What is "living as a woman"?

This is of course where a lot of it starts to fall apart because it is of course based on personality stereotyping... and any logical arguments for it very quickly start to conflict with themselves let alone with counter-arguments. For example, the concept of the gender non-binary is largely incompatible with the concept of trans. One argues against the other in really very basic ways. Of course you don't have to worry about that incompatibility if you refuse to acknowledge any discussion of either issue, which I suspect might be part of the reason people find those discussions so confronting and upsetting.

[jet]

A penis doesn't belong in a woman's toilet or changing facility. End of imo.