[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

There are lots of mixed-sex wards nowadays, but if there is a ward which is meant to just be for women ... It should only permit women.

I can’t really answer as a woman because I’m not one but it my eyes I see someone who has had a full operation as a woman

In biological terms they can never be a woman but in term of living as a woman then they should be allowed to be on a woman’s ward

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

I can’t really answer as a woman because I’m not one but it my eyes I see someone who has had a full operation as a woman

In biological terms they can never be a woman but in term of living as a woman then they should be allowed to be on a woman’s ward

What is "living as a woman"?

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

What is "living as a woman"?

Having the same rights has a woman that was born female

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Having the same rights has a woman that was born female

Oh? The same rights? Such as the right to a single sex space? And sex-segregated sports?

Women can't have those rights if transwomen muscle in...

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Oh? The same rights? Such as the right to a single sex space? And sex-segregated sports?

Women can't have those rights if transwomen muscle in...

With sports It has to looked at on individual levels

Not all men are the same and in fact you can have women that are physically stronger than men

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

With sports It has to looked at on individual levels

Not all men are the same and in fact you can have women that are physically stronger than men

I'm sorry but with sports it should be biological females only especially at elite levels

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'm sorry but with sports it should be biological females only especially at elite levels

I respect your opinion

[Tom4784]

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[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Not at a professional level. The skill level of any professional sport is often so high that any little advantage can make the difference. The physical advantages that men have will give them huge advantages over women.

I believe the Williams sisters once took on a male tennis player who was ranked far below them and he managed to beat them both on physical advantages alone. Testosterone matters in sport.

Yes you are right but I wasn’t really focusing on the sports issues more on letting someone live their life as a woman

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Not at a professional level. The skill level of any professional sport is often so high that any little advantage can make the difference. The physical advantages that men have will give them huge advantages over women.

I believe the Williams sisters once took on a male tennis player who was ranked far below them and he managed to beat them both on physical advantages alone. Testosterone matters in sport.

I think that male tennis player was ranked 203rd, that tell s you everything you need to know about the differences considering I'm fairly sure that was at Serena's peak and she was miles ahead of her closest female competition

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

What is "living as a woman"?

This is of course where a lot of it starts to fall apart because it is of course based on personality stereotyping... and any logical arguments for it very quickly start to conflict with themselves let alone with counter-arguments. For example, the concept of the gender non-binary is largely incompatible with the concept of trans. One argues against the other in really very basic ways. Of course you don't have to worry about that incompatibility if you refuse to acknowledge any discussion of either issue, which I suspect might be part of the reason people find those discussions so confronting and upsetting.