[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Where to even start unpacking that one. Trump (and associates) have several traceable links to Russian officials. Russian interference in US and other Western politics is 100% something that happens - I watched the Russian Twitter bots in action with my own eyes during the 2020 US election night - it was fascinating (and worrying).

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2) This does not mean that Russia didn't interfere - it's widely accepted that they did (and do) try to influence all Western voting events

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Russian "high tech meddling" in Western politics is very real and very interesting as a topic.

I'm not active disagreeing with this, but to be fuuuurrrrr, the way some people (not you) went on about the alleged interference one might think the Russians had hacked the voting machines or something.

There's only so much influence accounts like TrumpLover74763518 and maga87655 have over the way people decide to vote...

[bots]

People try and simplify things that aren't simple in my opinion

There is all sorts of election interference going on at every level both internally and externally. Russia really don't care who wins, they want to sew discord more than anything else and they did a very good job on that on scottish independence, brexit and the US presidential elections.

Fair elections and referendums are a thing of the past and we need to get used to it, because it's here to stay

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I'm not active disagreeing with this, but to be fuuuurrrrr, the way some people (not you) went on about the alleged interference one might think the Russians had hacked the voting machines or something.

That's what I was talking about before though - when you actually take a good look at things you'll almost always find the truth somewhere in the middle ground. It'll obviously never be EXACTLY in the middle (as that would also be extreme in its own way) but, it'll be somewhere around there. But the loudest voices come from the fringes which is 70% massive exaggeration... and 29.9% complete and utter nonsense.