[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I see people make these claims all the time but where are all the stories of these attacks happening? When was the last time a transperson was murdered in the UK for example or in Ireland? I can give you 2 very recent cases of women being attacked and murdered by men though in both countries.

The same could be said about women being attacked or abused by transwomen? Whilst of course it does happen it is rare and isolated cases. It's not the widespread issue the disproportionate amount of outrage would have you to believe. There is more chance of a woman being abused by another woman than any transperson.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

The same could be said about women being attacked or abused by transwomen? Whilst of course it does happen it is rare and isolated cases. It's not the widespread issue the disproportionate amount of outrage would have you to believe. There is more chance of a woman being abused by another woman than any transperson.

I could find you evidence of that happening.

If you give me a few minutes I'll be happy to fish out some stories

"There is more chance of a woman being abused by another woman than any transperson."

I suppose there is as there are a lot more women than transwomen in the world, so by law of averages yeah I would imagine that's correct however transwomen are biologically male and so pose a much greater threat to woman than another woman would.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

The same could be said about women being attacked or abused by transwomen? Whilst of course it does happen it is rare and isolated cases. It's not the widespread issue the disproportionate amount of outrage would have you to believe. There is more chance of a woman being abused by another woman than any transperson.

Sorry I just wanted to come back to this post again because what i should have added was, it's not really about transwomen being dangerous to women per se, the issue is MEN are dangerous to women, we know this. And the issue is not being able to define what a woman is, rendering the word meaningless and therefore opening the doors to places where women are vulnerable to anyone and everyone - as apparently a woman is just someone who says they are a women

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Sorry I just wanted to come back to this post again because what i should have added was, it's not really about transwomen being dangerous to women per se, the issue is MEN are dangerous to women, we know this. And the issue is not being able to define what a woman is, rendering the word meaningless and therefore opening the doors to places where women are vulnerable to anyone and everyone - as apparently a woman is just someone who says they are a women

I think most people get this no? Although I would qualify that with a ‘‘some men’..

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I think most people get this no? Although I would qualify that with a ‘‘some men’..

I don't even think it needs the qualifier, we know "not all men are like that", it doesn't need pointing out every time though imo!

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't even think it needs the qualifier, we know "not all men are like that", it doesn't need pointing out every time though imo!

Oh there was this one guy on TikTok or Twitch (I can't remember which one) that claimed that most men like to attack women, he was a special one rather than The Special One.

I understand that you didn't mean it like that though Niamh.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Oh there was this one guy on TikTok or Twitch (I can't remember which one) that claimed that most men like to attack women, he was a special one rather than The Special One.

I understand that you didn't mean it like that though Niamh.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I think most people get this no? Although I would qualify that with a ‘‘some men’..

I find that a bit pandery, it's implied anyway and I personally don't understand why any man who knows he isn't a danger to women needs to have that pointed out. It's part of the whole problem really; outraged cries of "by pointing out any risks you tar all of [group] with the same brush!!". It just isn't true.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I find that a bit pandery, it's implied anyway and I personally don't understand why any man who knows he isn't a danger to women needs to have that pointed out. It's part of the whole problem really; outraged cries of "by pointing out any risks you tar all of [group] with the same brush!!". It just isn't true.

As a mother of two sons I feel happy to point that out, pandery or not

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

As a mother of two sons I feel happy to point that out, pandery or not

Defensiveness isn't a trait I'd be particularly keen to encourage but each to their own I guess.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Sorry I just wanted to come back to this post again because what i should have added was, it's not really about transwomen being dangerous to women per se, the issue is MEN are dangerous to women, we know this. And the issue is not being able to define what a woman is, rendering the word meaningless and therefore opening the doors to places where women are vulnerable to anyone and everyone - as apparently a woman is just someone who says they are a women

This will be consistently ignored because its impossible to defend... I see people constantly putting on blinkers to the idea that it's not trans women that are the threat to women's spaces, but the concept of SELF-ID and predatory men pretending to be trans women in order to access women's spaces.

The arguments are that "no predatory man would actually bother to do that" (they can, have, will, and have gone to far greater lengths) and/or "Well that's not happened here yet" but ignoring that A) it's being campaigned for (heavily) and that one of the main things people are attacked for is campaigning against specifically that (it is branded transphobic).

Issues such as whether a trans woman should be in a female prison should be assessed PURELY on a case-by-case basis. It's the only sensible option.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This will be consistently ignored because its impossible to defend... I see people constantly putting on blinkers to the idea that it's not trans women that are the threat to women's spaces, but the concept of SELF-ID and predatory men pretending to be trans women in order to access women's spaces.

The arguments are that "no predatory man would actually bother to do that" (they can, have, will, and have gone to far greater lengths) and/or "Well that's not happened here yet" but ignoring that A) it's being campaigned for (heavily) and that one of the main things people are attacked for is campaigning against specifically that (it is branded transphobic).

Issues such as whether a trans woman should be in a female prison should be assessed PURELY on a case-by-case basis. It's the only sensible option.

All you have to do is look at what happened within the Catholic Church to see what lengths an abuser will go to get access to potential victims and compared to that this is much easier, all you have to do is SAY "I'm a woman"

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Sorry I just wanted to come back to this post again because what i should have added was, it's not really about transwomen being dangerous to women per se, the issue is MEN are dangerous to women, we know this. And the issue is not being able to define what a woman is, rendering the word meaningless and therefore opening the doors to places where women are vulnerable to anyone and everyone - as apparently a woman is just someone who says they are a women

Men are also dangerous to children, and will also bend the system to abuse them..

We are not allowed to discuss this on tibb though, even though there is no difference to what you are claiming can happen regarding this subject.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Men are also dangerous to children, and will also bend the system to abuse them..

We are not allowed to discuss this on tibb though, even though there is no difference to what you are claiming can happen regarding this subject.

Not quite sure what you're alluding to here

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Men are also dangerous to children, and will also bend the system to abuse them..



We are not allowed to discuss this on tibb though, even though there is no difference to what you are claiming can happen regarding this subject.

They are indeed and that's why you would never see an adult of any description being put into a juvenile prison with kids nor would anyone ever think that was a good idea... And also adults need disclosure documents and criminal records checks to work with children at all. This is something that's clearly recognised.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

They are indeed and that's why you would never see an adult of any description being put into a juvenile prison with kids nor would anyone ever think that was a good idea... And also adults need disclosure documents and criminal records checks to work with children at all. This is something that's clearly recognised.

Absolutely.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

They are indeed and that's why you would never see an adult of any description being put into a juvenile prison with kids nor would anyone ever think that was a good idea... And also adults need disclosure documents and criminal records checks to work with children at all. This is something that's clearly recognised.

Dont matter.