[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Liam-

If you’re gonna disagree with things I’ve said, you should at least understand the things I’ve said first.

I did say that some people may have genuine concerns, that’s not a question, but those concerns are now deeply embedded within an anti-trans movement that in my view, is majorly based in hatred and bigotry, those concerns are being used by bigots as a stick to beat down an entire demographic of people, just for being who they are and if it was any other demographic, it would definitely not be allowed to happen..

And also to your point of, ‘who’s being bullied’ people are losing jobs or support or whatever, violent crimes against trans people have quadrupled over the past couple of years, people are being physically attacked and often times killed, for who they are, so please, save some of your empathy for the people who are actually having harm done to them over this shall we.

I see people make these claims all the time but where are all the stories of these attacks happening? When was the last time a transperson was murdered in the UK for example or in Ireland? I can give you 2 very recent cases of women being attacked and murdered by men though in both countries.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I see people make these claims all the time but where are all the stories of these attacks happening? When was the last time a transperson was murdered in the UK for example or in Ireland? I can give you 2 very recent cases of women being attacked and murdered by men though in both countries.

So you need to see individual cases slapped over the media, to believe that targeted hate crimes against the trans community have rocketed?

I mean, if you want to go for the, i didn’t see it, it didn’t happen defence then you crack on I suppose

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Liam-

So you need to see individual cases slapped over the media, to believe that targeted hate crimes against the trans community have rocketed?

I mean, if you want to go for the, i didn’t see it, it didn’t happen defence then you crack on I suppose

Well if it's been used in an argument to prove that it's not actually women who are being bullied in this debate it's transpeople then yeah I'd like to see some evidence of that. If it truly has rocketed as you say where are all the news stories? The figures backing that up?

I asked you a simple question, back up this pretty big claim you made and instead of doing that (which should be an easy thing to show) You tried to make me feel bad for daring to ask

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well if it's been used in an argument to prove that it's not actually women who are being bullied in this debate it's transpeople then yeah I'd like to see some evidence of that. If it truly has rocketed as you say where are all the news stories? The figures backing that up?

I asked you a simple question, back up this pretty big claim you made and instead of doing that (which should be an easy thing to show) You tried to make me feel bad for daring to ask

There was a report done by the bbc in 2020 based on government findings on the those sharp rise in anti-trans hate crimes.

But tbh, I don’t think there’s much point in all of this, because you seem very determined to not accept anything that goes against your views on tans people or women being the ultimate societal victims

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Liam-

There was a report done by the bbc in 2020 based on government findings on the those sharp rise in anti-trans hate crimes.

But tbh, I don’t think there’s much point in all of this, because you seem very determined to not accept anything that goes against your views on tans people or women being the ultimate societal victims

I'd be absolutely interested in reading that report. Do you have a link?

Out of curiosity, if you can remember from reading that report were those transpeople being attacked by women?

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I see people make these claims all the time but where are all the stories of these attacks happening? When was the last time a transperson was murdered in the UK for example or in Ireland? I can give you 2 very recent cases of women being attacked and murdered by men though in both countries.

The same could be said about women being attacked or abused by transwomen? Whilst of course it does happen it is rare and isolated cases. It's not the widespread issue the disproportionate amount of outrage would have you to believe. There is more chance of a woman being abused by another woman than any transperson.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

The same could be said about women being attacked or abused by transwomen? Whilst of course it does happen it is rare and isolated cases. It's not the widespread issue the disproportionate amount of outrage would have you to believe. There is more chance of a woman being abused by another woman than any transperson.

I could find you evidence of that happening.

If you give me a few minutes I'll be happy to fish out some stories

"There is more chance of a woman being abused by another woman than any transperson."

I suppose there is as there are a lot more women than transwomen in the world, so by law of averages yeah I would imagine that's correct however transwomen are biologically male and so pose a much greater threat to woman than another woman would.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

The same could be said about women being attacked or abused by transwomen? Whilst of course it does happen it is rare and isolated cases. It's not the widespread issue the disproportionate amount of outrage would have you to believe. There is more chance of a woman being abused by another woman than any transperson.

Sorry I just wanted to come back to this post again because what i should have added was, it's not really about transwomen being dangerous to women per se, the issue is MEN are dangerous to women, we know this. And the issue is not being able to define what a woman is, rendering the word meaningless and therefore opening the doors to places where women are vulnerable to anyone and everyone - as apparently a woman is just someone who says they are a women

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Sorry I just wanted to come back to this post again because what i should have added was, it's not really about transwomen being dangerous to women per se, the issue is MEN are dangerous to women, we know this. And the issue is not being able to define what a woman is, rendering the word meaningless and therefore opening the doors to places where women are vulnerable to anyone and everyone - as apparently a woman is just someone who says they are a women

I think most people get this no? Although I would qualify that with a ‘‘some men’..

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I think most people get this no? Although I would qualify that with a ‘‘some men’..

I don't even think it needs the qualifier, we know "not all men are like that", it doesn't need pointing out every time though imo!

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't even think it needs the qualifier, we know "not all men are like that", it doesn't need pointing out every time though imo!

Oh there was this one guy on TikTok or Twitch (I can't remember which one) that claimed that most men like to attack women, he was a special one rather than The Special One.

I understand that you didn't mean it like that though Niamh.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Oh there was this one guy on TikTok or Twitch (I can't remember which one) that claimed that most men like to attack women, he was a special one rather than The Special One.

I understand that you didn't mean it like that though Niamh.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I think most people get this no? Although I would qualify that with a ‘‘some men’..

I find that a bit pandery, it's implied anyway and I personally don't understand why any man who knows he isn't a danger to women needs to have that pointed out. It's part of the whole problem really; outraged cries of "by pointing out any risks you tar all of [group] with the same brush!!". It just isn't true.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I find that a bit pandery, it's implied anyway and I personally don't understand why any man who knows he isn't a danger to women needs to have that pointed out. It's part of the whole problem really; outraged cries of "by pointing out any risks you tar all of [group] with the same brush!!". It just isn't true.

As a mother of two sons I feel happy to point that out, pandery or not

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Cherie

As a mother of two sons I feel happy to point that out, pandery or not

Defensiveness isn't a trait I'd be particularly keen to encourage but each to their own I guess.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Sorry I just wanted to come back to this post again because what i should have added was, it's not really about transwomen being dangerous to women per se, the issue is MEN are dangerous to women, we know this. And the issue is not being able to define what a woman is, rendering the word meaningless and therefore opening the doors to places where women are vulnerable to anyone and everyone - as apparently a woman is just someone who says they are a women

This will be consistently ignored because its impossible to defend... I see people constantly putting on blinkers to the idea that it's not trans women that are the threat to women's spaces, but the concept of SELF-ID and predatory men pretending to be trans women in order to access women's spaces.

The arguments are that "no predatory man would actually bother to do that" (they can, have, will, and have gone to far greater lengths) and/or "Well that's not happened here yet" but ignoring that A) it's being campaigned for (heavily) and that one of the main things people are attacked for is campaigning against specifically that (it is branded transphobic).

Issues such as whether a trans woman should be in a female prison should be assessed PURELY on a case-by-case basis. It's the only sensible option.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This will be consistently ignored because its impossible to defend... I see people constantly putting on blinkers to the idea that it's not trans women that are the threat to women's spaces, but the concept of SELF-ID and predatory men pretending to be trans women in order to access women's spaces.

The arguments are that "no predatory man would actually bother to do that" (they can, have, will, and have gone to far greater lengths) and/or "Well that's not happened here yet" but ignoring that A) it's being campaigned for (heavily) and that one of the main things people are attacked for is campaigning against specifically that (it is branded transphobic).

Issues such as whether a trans woman should be in a female prison should be assessed PURELY on a case-by-case basis. It's the only sensible option.

All you have to do is look at what happened within the Catholic Church to see what lengths an abuser will go to get access to potential victims and compared to that this is much easier, all you have to do is SAY "I'm a woman"

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Sorry I just wanted to come back to this post again because what i should have added was, it's not really about transwomen being dangerous to women per se, the issue is MEN are dangerous to women, we know this. And the issue is not being able to define what a woman is, rendering the word meaningless and therefore opening the doors to places where women are vulnerable to anyone and everyone - as apparently a woman is just someone who says they are a women

Men are also dangerous to children, and will also bend the system to abuse them..

We are not allowed to discuss this on tibb though, even though there is no difference to what you are claiming can happen regarding this subject.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Men are also dangerous to children, and will also bend the system to abuse them..

We are not allowed to discuss this on tibb though, even though there is no difference to what you are claiming can happen regarding this subject.

Not quite sure what you're alluding to here

[user104658]

Originally Posted by parmnion

Men are also dangerous to children, and will also bend the system to abuse them..



We are not allowed to discuss this on tibb though, even though there is no difference to what you are claiming can happen regarding this subject.

They are indeed and that's why you would never see an adult of any description being put into a juvenile prison with kids nor would anyone ever think that was a good idea... And also adults need disclosure documents and criminal records checks to work with children at all. This is something that's clearly recognised.

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

They are indeed and that's why you would never see an adult of any description being put into a juvenile prison with kids nor would anyone ever think that was a good idea... And also adults need disclosure documents and criminal records checks to work with children at all. This is something that's clearly recognised.

Absolutely.

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

They are indeed and that's why you would never see an adult of any description being put into a juvenile prison with kids nor would anyone ever think that was a good idea... And also adults need disclosure documents and criminal records checks to work with children at all. This is something that's clearly recognised.

Dont matter.

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I see people make these claims all the time but where are all the stories of these attacks happening? When was the last time a transperson was murdered in the UK for example or in Ireland? I can give you 2 very recent cases of women being attacked and murdered by men though in both countries.

Tbh I'm impressed that you've only found two cases.