[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

That's all I was doing and you said I was trying to gain ground with a far more similar scenario than yours

I do not care how relaxed you are on a holiday, as a parent would you have let your guard down like that? I know I wouldn't. On holiday I'm more alert and aware of what my kid is doing for the simple reason that its a place we don't know well. As a parent you know there are hidden dangers everywhere where kids are concerned.

I will never not think it was neglect. Yea, they have paid a very heavy price and that is very sad, moreso for whatever happened to Madeleine but it was possibly so avoidable.

I could not live with myself if I had neglected to be there for my child. I certainly couldn't have written a book and used the money raised to pay my mortgage off and do interview after interview.

It only takes a second for some thing bad too happen that you never considered you are entitled to your opinion like all of us are

You can’t make a case out of what ifs or maybe’s

Would them killing themselve make this case any better

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

It only takes a second for some thing bad too happen that you never considered you are entitled to your opinion like all of us are

You can’t make a case out of what ifs or maybe’s

Would them killing themselve make this case any better

Bad things can sometimes still happen when you're in the same house ,or watching them . So wouldn't that make you less likely to leave them unsupervised whilst you go out drinking.

This wasn't like the parents were asleep in another room while their kid was snatched under their noses. They were out the building plain and simple.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Bad things can sometimes still happen when you're in the same house ,or watching them . So wouldn't that make you less likely to leave them unsupervised whilst you go out drinking.



This wasn't like the parents were asleep in another room while their kid was snatched under their noses. They were out the building plain and simple.

Exactly, if we go along with the theory that it was an opportunistic kidnapper, who is he going to target? The apartment where he knows no parents are there to wake up and catch him or the apartment where he'd have to break in through a locked door with 2 adults present?

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Bad things can sometimes still happen when you're in the same house ,or watching them . So wouldn't that make you less likely to leave them unsupervised whilst you go out drinking.

This wasn't like the parents were asleep in another room while their kid was snatched under their noses. They were out the building plain and simple.

It’s not to hard to understand
People don’t live their lives waiting for bad things to happen
Bad things do happen but you don’t think they will happen to you and if you do think that way you have a mental illness.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

It’s not to hard to understand

People don’t live their lives waiting for bad things to happen

Bad things do happen but you don’t think they will happen to you and if you do think that way you have a mental illness.

You have a mental illness if you think something bad could happen if you leave 3 babies alone at night in an unlocked apartment in a foreign country? Babysitters are really cashing in on parents mental illnesses then

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

You have a mental illness if you think something bad could happen if you leave 3 babies alone at night in an unlocked apartment in a foreign country? Babysitters are really cashing in on parents mental illnesses then

If a fear of something bad will happen to you and your family that stops you doing normal dad to day stuff then it’s a mental illness

Who is the bad parent those that let their children play outside knowing something bad could happen

Or the. Parent that keep their kids in the house protecting them from the outside world.

Your son does contact sports are you a bad parent for letting him do that knowing he could get hurt.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

If a fear of something bad will happen to you and your family that stops you doing normal dad to day stuff then it’s a mental illness

Who is the bad parent those that let their children play outside knowing something bad could happen

Or the. Parent that keep their kids in the house protecting them from the outside world.

Your son does contact sports are you a bad parent for letting him do that knowing he could get hurt.

Again just to clarify the above; I agree but while "letting kids play out" is normal behaviour, "Leaving toddlers alone in holiday appartments" is NOT normal behaviour, by the vast majority of people's standards.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Again just to clarify the above; I agree but while "letting kids play out" is normal behaviour, "Leaving toddlers alone in holiday appartments" is NOT normal behaviour, by the vast majority of people's standards.

But take into account the facts people go on holiday to relax and have a good time
You don’t going on holiday thinking your kids are going to be kidnapped or murdered because that is not normal

They made a mistake it was not purposeful neglect

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

If a fear of something bad will happen to you and your family that stops you doing normal dad to day stuff then it’s a mental illness



Who is the bad parent those that let their children play outside knowing something bad could happen



Or the. Parent that keep their kids in the house protecting them from the outside world.



Your son does contact sports are you a bad parent for letting him do that knowing he could get hurt.

Leaving babies alone in an unlocked apartment at night while you go out isn't normal behaviour though no matter how you try to spin it.

My son does contact sport yes, most sport is "contact" fun fact he's never been injured (besides a few bruises) while doing martial arts. He spent months in physio after a soccer injury though, his friends who play rugby and GAA are injured regularly.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

It’s not to hard to understand
People don’t live their lives waiting for bad things to happen
Bad things do happen but you don’t think they will happen to you and if you do think that way you have a mental illness.

This is more about a balance of risks though, the example of allowing kids to do normal kid things "being risky anyway" so why not leave them alone in a holiday appartment.

It's like saying... "Why not walk down the middle of the road? Sure you might get hit by a car - but even if you walk on the pavement, a car might lose control, mount the kerb and hit you anyway."

Like... yes... you might get hit by a care whilst walking down the pavement minding your own business. It happens. That doesn't mean you should stop walking down pavements, it's a normal and acceptable risk... one we accept every day. But it's not comparable to a clearly reckless action like prancing along the middle of the road.

To use another risk example...

You're basically saying "there's nothing wrong with driving whilst drunk - because it's always possible that you'll crash your car anyway even stone cold sober".

Same thing. There's an inherent small risk in driving. Drink driving is reckless.

There's an inherent small risk that a child could be abducted at any time. Leaving them alone like the McCanns did... is reckless.

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This is more about a balance of risks though, the example of allowing kids to do normal kid things "being risky anyway" so why not leave them alone in a holiday appartment.

It's like saying... "Why not walk down the middle of the road? Sure you might get hit by a car - but even if you walk on the pavement, a car might lose control, mount the kerb and hit you anyway."

Like... yes... you might get hit by a care whilst walking down the pavement minding your own business. It happens. That doesn't mean you should stop walking down pavements, it's a normal and acceptable risk... one we accept every day. But it's not comparable to a clearly reckless action like prancing along the middle of the road.

To use another risk example...

You're basically saying "there's nothing wrong with driving whilst drunk - because it's always possible that you'll crash your car anyway even stone cold sober".

Same thing. There's an inherent small risk in driving. Drink driving is reckless.

There's an inherent small risk that a child could be abducted at any time. Leaving them alone like the McCanns did... is reckless.

Doing something that you know is wrong is taking it down another route

[user104658]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Doing something that you know is wrong is taking it down another route

...like leaving toddlers alone in an apartment in Portugal to go out drinking with pals. Surely!

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

...like leaving toddlers alone in an apartment in Portugal to go out drinking with pals. Surely!

It was a meal not a drinking session and they were checking on the kids throughput the evening

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

...like leaving toddlers alone in an apartment in Portugal to go out drinking with pals. Surely!

........!!!!