[Zizu]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The StartStreak weapon is serious stuff

I hope they are training them how to use the weapons as well !!


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[Sticks]

We should not be supplying any weapons, it only puts a target on British ships and planes suspected of carrying them to the Ukraine.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Sticks

We should not be supplying any weapons, it only puts a target on British ships and planes suspected of carrying them to the Ukraine.

But we are stuck with Supplying
Deadly weapons
and so is the USA.



As yet, no British Ship
or plane has not been attacked

[bots]

Abramovich's spokesperson is saying that someone tried to poison him when he was in kyiv earlier this month

[UserSince2005]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Abramovich's spokesperson is saying that someone tried to poison him when he was in kyiv earlier this month

whatever hes just trying to pretend hes putins enemy to play the victim. A billionaire victim (even after sanctions), my heart bleeds.

[Kizzy]

Those weapons are defensive, if not that would be seen as an escalation involving the west. We still can't risk being seen to be doing that.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Those weapons are defensive, if not that would be seen as an escalation involving the west. We still can't risk being seen to be doing that.

Why on Earth would a clearly unhinged guy like Putin accept us sending any weapons especially anti-tank / anti-aircraft ones ..

I think the damage has been done tbh


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[user104658]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Why on Earth would a clearly unhinged guy like Putin accept us sending any weapons especially anti-tank / anti-aircraft ones ..

I think the damage has been done tbh


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Because he isn't actually unhinged. I mean yeah, in the sense that he's a power-hungry politician but I keep saying it over and over... The idea that he's "mad" is a western media fantasy. He's no more "mad" than Boris or any other world leader.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Because he isn't actually unhinged. I mean yeah, in the sense that he's a power-hungry politician but I keep saying it over and over... The idea that he's "mad" is a western media fantasy. He's no more "mad" than Boris or any other world leader.

Really ?

Can’t agree I’m afraid


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[bots]

i don't think putin is particularly rational. Before the war started, he did those tv addresses where he actually was demented, there was no doubt about it. That was not the oratory of a rational sane man. Also, don't let the public speak the truth, if they do lock them up. Is that the action of a sane man? I don't think so. It may be he has always been this way and he managed to hide it well for a while, or maybe people just didnt want to face the stark reality. Either way, i wouldn't call putin a sane man. No sane man would behave as he is currently, threatening everyone in his path

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i don't think putin is particularly rational. Before the war started, he did those tv addresses where he actually was demented, there was no doubt about it. That was not the oratory of a rational sane man. Also, don't let the public speak the truth, if they do lock them up. Is that the action of a sane man? I don't think so. It may be he has always been this way and he managed to hide it well for a while, or maybe people just didnt want to face the stark reality. Either way, i wouldn't call putin a sane man. No sane man would behave as he is currently, threatening everyone in his path

Yeah I wouldn't use the term 'mad' but his actions are pretty delusional imo and he seems incredibly paranoid

[Parmy]

I wonder how many people will have mask exemptions when the chemical weapons start being used.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i don't think putin is particularly rational. Before the war started, he did those tv addresses where he actually was demented, there was no doubt about it. That was not the oratory of a rational sane man. Also, don't let the public speak the truth, if they do lock them up. Is that the action of a sane man? I don't think so. It may be he has always been this way and he managed to hide it well for a while, or maybe people just didnt want to face the stark reality. Either way, i wouldn't call putin a sane man. No sane man would behave as he is currently, threatening everyone in his path

He might be irrational in some of his actions, I've always said he's clearly power-hungry, he may be frustrated, his demeanor may show that. It may serve his purposes to SEEM unpredictable, is another take. Locking people away and making grandiose threats is pretty much standard stuff for authoritarian governments? He seeks to maintain the illusion of having more power than he does (it's increasingly seeming that Russia's only REAL military power is nuclear).

He isn't "not sane" and to believe that he is, you would have to have never encountered someone who is actually insane. They're not starting wars and locking people up... they're wandering around Tesco telling you that Jesus says they need more pesto. I'm not saying that from a place of ignorance about mental health but actually a place of knowledge; people who have lost their sanity are disregulated and quite obvious. Calling dictators and brutal warmongers "insane" is just an easy explanation IMO. "Oh they're just MAD!". They're not mad, they know what they're doing, they have clear goals and intentions. That's scarier than it just being someone who has lost the plot.

[MTVN]

Well surely sanity is a spectrum and those who are wandering around Tesco talking to Jesus are at the far end of that but someone can be 'unhinged' or mentally unstable without being full blown 'mad'. There's been lots of rulers throughout history who've been considered mad and they probably did all have mental problems to varying extents, some really were full blown insane but most suffered more just from major delusions, deep paranoia, uncontrollable tempers, fits or envy, things like that. And a lot of those psychological issues would be caused by or at least exacerbated by their positions of authority and the power they hold

[MTVN]

I never considered Putin particularly irrational or unstable before this. I didn't even think he was that dangerous as a leader, just different to Western PMs and Presidents. His actions and his words in the last six weeks have changed that though

[user104658]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well surely sanity is a spectrum and those who are wandering around Tesco talking to Jesus are at the far end of that but someone can be 'unhinged' or mentally unstable without being full blown 'mad'. There's been lots of rulers throughout history who've been considered mad and they probably did all have mental problems to varying extents, some really were full blown insane but most suffered more just from major delusions, deep paranoia, uncontrollable tempers, fits or envy, things like that. And a lot of those psychological issues would be caused by or at least exacerbated by their positions of authority and the power they hold

There's a line between these things and "insanity" though, in my opinion. I think in this case the important distiction is, Putin isn't invading Ukraine/staring wars "because he's randomly lost his mind" - he may be gradually losing his composure/becoming reckless/acting impulsively the more things don't go as he had expected. Things like paranoia again I think are just part and parcel of authoritarian autocracies. Delusions are just flat-out normal psychology - if you really look, everyone has them, some are just less consequential than others.

[bots]

i think the pandemic has a lot to answer for. He was paranoid about catching covid, he completely isolated himself away from everyone and did everything from his office and video chat. He hasn't had people to quell his paranoia and i think he has spiralled out of control and we are seeing the results now

[arista]

Ukraine offers Neutral Status in exchange
for security guarantees
meaning it would not join military alliances

After the meeting with Russia.

SkyNewsHD Live


https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-w...ussia-12576688

[MTVN]

Russia will radically decrease attacks on Kyiv. Major victory for Ukraine

[bots]

it just needs 1 tactical nuke to destroy the city. I wouldn't trust a word coming from russia at the moment. Lets not forget that the week before the war started, putin laughed at suggestions that russia was going to invade ukraine

[Parmy]

And Hitler promised not to invade checkoslovakia.

[MTVN]

Yes but Hitler wasn't getting his ass kicked by Ukrainian farmers

[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Yes but Hitler wasn't getting his ass kicked by Ukrainian farmers

Yes Early in WW2
even took control of France

Hitler was taking nations fast.
No USA attacking him at the start.

[bots]

another example was when putin said that they were withdrawing their forces from the border, they were just on an exercise. I don't know how anyone can take a russian statement seriously. Russia doesnt need troops to level ukraine, people need to remember that

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Russia will radically decrease attacks on Kyiv. Major victory for Ukraine

Decrease or stop ?


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