[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Bathroom safety for women versus trans women was the big issue, but as there still isn't any evidence or data to suggest that's a factual issue, then we end up in the abstract. Of course there is evidence for bathrooms existing and being actual spaces.

I don't believe there is any studies or data being collected anyway (as oddly enough this is always shut down, research into the subject I mean and data being collected) Just look at all the follow up there was done on patients of the (now deemed unsafe for children) Tavistock Clinic (none)

Safety btw isn't the only issue for women and girls with having male bodied people in their spaces where they might be vulnerable, women and girls have the right to privacy and dignity too as well as safe guarding (which was there because of our biological sex not because of a gender identity)

But one case that did spring to mind was this one :

https://www.standingforfreedom.com/2...unty-virginia/

And of course that now infamous Wii Spa case

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't believe there is any studies or data being collected anyway (as oddly enough this is always shut down, research into the subject I mean and data being collected) Just look at all the follow up there was done on patients of the (now deemed unsafe for children) Tavistock Clinic (none)

Safety btw isn't the only issue for women and girls with having male bodied people in their spaces where they might be vulnerable, women and girls have the right to privacy and dignity too as well as safe guarding (which was there because of our biological sex not because of a gender identity)

But one case that did spring to mind was this one :

https://www.standingforfreedom.com/2...unty-virginia/

And of course that now infamous Wii Spa case

Of course there is data being collected (as you've posted some) and it's not realistic to think if these events were happening at the levels suggested, that they wouldn't be spread everywhere at all times by certain media and groups.

That doesn't detract from the heinous and vile crime experienced by that victim you posted, which of course is one event too many, but a boy/man raping a woman (in any environment, including bathrooms) is depressingly not an anomaly.

I don't want to get into this debate (again). I originally made a throw away comment in the thread, that you asked me to explain. Which I did.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Of course there is data being collected (as you've posted some) and it's not realistic to think if these events were happening at the levels suggested, that they wouldn't be spread everywhere at all times by certain media and groups.

That doesn't detract from the heinous and vile crime experienced by that victim you posted, which of course is one event too many, but a boy/man raping a woman (in any environment, including bathrooms) is depressingly not an anomaly.

I don't want to get into this debate (again). I originally made a throw away comment in the thread, that you asked me to explain. Which I did.

The fact that it isn't an anomaly is all the more reason not to remove safe guarding for women especially in places where they're particularly vulnerable (eg in a state of undress)

But yes, we can leave it there