[Oliver_W]

With the amount of trans-identified people who have other mental disorders, it's good that such things are being considered.

Children and young people who are questioning their "gender" would be better off being given coping strategies to help them come to terms with not being what they "identify" as.

There's no evidence that blockers are safe and reversible, so anything is better than throwing safeguarding to wind.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

With the amount of trans-identified people who have other mental disorders, it's good that such things are being considered.

Children and young people who are questioning their "gender" would be better off being given coping strategies to help them come to terms with not being what they "identify" as.

There's no evidence that blockers are safe and reversible, so anything is better than throwing safeguarding to wind.

Let’s hold it right there. Transsexualism isn’t a mental disorder. That’s an incredibly backwards way of thinking.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Redway

Let’s hold it right there. Transsexualism isn’t a mental disorder. That’s an incredibly backwards way of thinking.

I agree with this.

We may all have different opinions on this thread, but the one thing we do need to be careful of is the way that Trans people are being classed as mentally ill by some people.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Redway

Let’s hold it right there. Transsexualism isn’t a mental disorder. That’s an incredibly backwards way of thinking.

This is from the NHS website itself

Gender dysphoria is a term that describes a sense of unease that a person may have because of a mismatch between their biological sex and their gender identity.

This sense of unease or dissatisfaction may be so intense it can lead to depression and anxiety and have a harmful impact on daily life.


I don't think Oliver meant it in an offensive way ,and technically it is a condition that the doctor diagnoses . Like I keep saying shouldn't the whole point be to DE stigmatise mental health , anxiety,body Dysmorphia etc aswell as other conditions out there.

There's real life science studies to show that trans people's brains are similar to the opposite gender, so clearly their feelings & what they're going through is very real . I don't think anyone is calling them "straight jacket crazy" .
But people especially these days may suffer with other conditions & issues that they need support with. We need to stop stigmatising struggles as we're all human and should help eachother out.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

This is from the NHS website itself

Gender dysphoria is a term that describes a sense of unease that a person may have because of a mismatch between their biological sex and their gender identity.

This sense of unease or dissatisfaction may be so intense it can lead to depression and anxiety and have a harmful impact on daily life.


I don't think Oliver meant it in an offensive way ,and technically it is a condition that the doctor diagnoses . Like I keep saying shouldn't the whole point be to DE stigmatise mental health , anxiety,body Dysmorphia etc aswell as other conditions out there.

There's real life science studies to show that trans people's brains are similar to the opposite gender, so clearly their feelings & what they're going through is very real . I don't think anyone is calling them "straight jacket crazy" .
But people especially these days may suffer with other conditions & issues that they need support with. We need to stop stigmatising struggles as we're all human and should help eachother out.

Yes . .. that is my take on Oliver’s post .


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[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Redway

Let’s hold it right there. Transsexualism isn’t a mental disorder. That’s an incredibly backwards way of thinking.

It literally is though. Body dysmorphia in general is a mental health disorder, no-one would dispute that. So why does saying that become controversial when we're talking about someone whose "gender identity" doesn't align with what they actually are?

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

It literally is though. Body dysmorphia in general is a mental health disorder, no-one would dispute that. So why does saying that become controversial when we're talking about someone whose "gender identity" doesn't align with what they actually are?

It wasn’t too long ago that homosexuality was a psychiatric diagnosis.

[Redway]

I’m not even pro-trans. like that but I just know I don’t regard them as sick for wanting to transition.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Redway

It wasn’t too long ago that homosexuality was a psychiatric diagnosis.

An attraction to the same sex isn't really comparable to believing your body is wrong. You may as well compare homosexuality to anorexia.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

An attraction to the same sex isn't really comparable to believing your body is wrong. You may as well compare homosexuality to anorexia.

Short of 60 - 90 milligrams of phenelzine (which isn’t even well-known as a treatment for troublesomely-divergent sexual orientations, but I personally believe it most-likely has some benefit) there’s little in the way of actual medical treatment for gender dysphoria (which is a whole-different best to body dysmorphic disorder so between you and God only y’all know where on Earth that comparison came from). That speaks bits to me.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Redway

Short of 60 - 90 milligrams of phenelzine (which isn’t even well-known as a treatment for troublesomely-divergent sexual orientations, but I personally believe it most-likely has some benefit) there’s little in the way of actual medical testament for gender dysphoria (which is a whole-different best to body dysmorphic disorder so between you and God only y’all know where on Earth that comparison came from). That speaks bits to me.

Body dysmophic disorders and "gender dysphoria" are closer to each other than either are with homosexuality. Both show a disconnect between someone's body and their mental perception.

[Crimson Dynamo]

President Joe Biden has said it is wrong to block children’s access to sex change
surgeries or puberty blockers.

Mr Biden, who hosted a popular trans TikToker at the White House last week,
said he believed it was both a moral and legal issue as he spoke to a panel of
activists for the NowThis News presidential forum.

When asked if red states should have the right to pass laws limiting access to
gender reassignment treatments, Mr Biden said in comments published on
Sunday: “I don’t think any state or anybody should have the right to do that.


“As a moral question and as a legal question, I just think it’s wrong,” the
president added.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

President Joe Biden has said it is wrong to block children’s access to sex change
surgeries or puberty blockers.

Mr Biden, who hosted a popular trans TikToker at the White House last week,
said he believed it was both a moral and legal issue as he spoke to a panel of
activists for the NowThis News presidential forum.

When asked if red states should have the right to pass laws limiting access to
gender reassignment treatments, Mr Biden said in comments published on
Sunday: “I don’t think any state or anybody should have the right to do that.


“As a moral question and as a legal question, I just think it’s wrong,” the
president added.

To be fair he doesn’t know what day it is


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[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Zizu

To be fair he doesn’t know what day it is


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[Beso]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

President Joe Biden has said it is wrong to block children’s access to sex change
surgeries or puberty blockers.

Mr Biden, who hosted a popular trans TikToker at the White House last week,
said he believed it was both a moral and legal issue as he spoke to a panel of
activists for the NowThis News presidential forum.

When asked if red states should have the right to pass laws limiting access to
gender reassignment treatments, Mr Biden said in comments published on
Sunday: “I don’t think any state or anybody should have the right to do that.


“As a moral question and as a legal question, I just think it’s wrong,” the
president added.

He will burn in hell for those comments.

[Redway]

I’m not saying being woke is enough to defy scientific reality but when it comes to something as nuanced as that there isn’t actually any universal reality. That’s why individuals (of a suitable age, no-doubt) are allowed to make the choice to be who they want to be. Gaslighting people/calling them crazy when they’re obviously functional and experience whatever thoughts and feelings they have in alignment with something subjective to them just isn’t a good look. You don’t have to like them or what they do but if they’re not crazy they’re not crazy. You’re just repulsed by the idea of trans. people doing what they do.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Redway

I’m not saying being woke is enough to defy scientific reality but when it comes to something as nuanced as that there isn’t actually any universal reality. That’s why individuals (of a suitable age, no-doubt) are allowed to make the choice to be who they want to be. Gaslighting people/calling them crazy when they’re obviously functional and experience whatever thoughts and feelings they have in alignment with something subjective to them just isn’t a good look. You don’t have to like them or what they do but if they’re not crazy they’re not crazy. You’re just repulsed by the idea of trans. people doing what they do.

Again you seem to be implying a stigmatisation of mental health disorders. There's nothing wrong with being crazy

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Again you seem to be implying a stigmatisation of mental health disorders. There's nothing wrong with being crazy

Exactly
Plus in 2022 ,with more mental health awareness ..you would think we were past the whole stigmatising. But sadly I guess not .

People suffer with depression , anxiety etc it's nothing to be ashamed of. And people shouldn't feel bad to ask for help .

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Holiver_and_Ivy

With the amount of trans-identified people who have other mental disorders, it's good that such things are being considered.

Children and young people who are questioning their "gender" would be better off being given coping strategies to help them come to terms with not being what they "identify" as.

There's no evidence that blockers are safe and reversible, so anything is better than throwing safeguarding to wind.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Holiver_and_Ivy

There's no evidence that blockers are safe and reversible, so anything is better than throwing safeguarding to wind.

I saw something that touched on this ..

It said that whilst many of the physical changes were somewhat reversible.. any changes to the brain were permanent


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[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I saw something that touched on this ..

It said that whilst many of the physical changes were somewhat reversible.. any changes to the brain were permanent


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I think it would depend how long they're on the hormone treatment, as after a while the effects would be permanent ... especially things like the voice changing and other physical stuff.
But if surgery has been involved, then sorry there's literally no reversing that ...no matter what anyone says .

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

I think it would depend how long they're on the hormone treatment, as after a while the effects would be permanent ... especially things like the voice changing and other physical stuff.
But if surgery has been involved, then sorry there's literally no reversing that ...no matter what anyone says .

Exactly plus the changes in the brain/s sounds horrific !


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