[Zizu]

Originally Posted by arista

2 dead as things stand ..

Poland has put it’s military units on a heightened state of readiness.

The Pentagon says it is aware of reports of Russian MISSILES crossing into Poland


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[arista]

[arista]

[bots]

Originally Posted by MTVN

After all the death and destruction there's been the last 8 months it seems odd that everyone loses their minds now over a farm in a little Polish village being hit by mistake, either through poor aim from the Russians, a faulty missile, or it's been shot down and ended up there

I hope cool heads prevail on this

i think its likely it was debris from a shot down missile, it will take time to evaluate. However, Russia shouldnt be bombing anything that could spill into a neighbouring country, they know the risks if something goes wrong. If similar were to happen again i think we could end up directly involved

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i think its likely it was debris from a shot down missile, it will take time to evaluate. However, Russia shouldnt be bombing anything that could spill into a neighbouring country, they know the risks if something goes wrong. If similar were to happen again i think we could end up directly involved

Pentagon saying they are aware of MISSILES not missile landing in Poland


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[bots]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Pentagon saying they are aware of MISSILES not missile landing in Poland


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do you really want us directly in a war? Fragments can appear to be many missiles and not be. I would imagine there will be some harsh words from nato at this point and that will be it for now

[LaLaLand]

This is bad...

[Gusto Brunt]

It was obviously an error.

Good job it wasn't nuclear. But the idea Putin is trying to escalate the war, is absurd.

His army couldn't fight itself out of a paper bag, never mind take on the massive force of NATO.

[Mystic Mock]

Apparently new reports are coming in saying that it was a Ukranian Missile that hit Poland.

Presumably on accident.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Apparently new reports are coming in saying that it was a Ukranian Missile that hit Poland.

Presumably on accident.

Seems plausible, makes no sense for Russia to risk hitting Polish territory right now

All the WWIII hysteria can calm down now

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Seems plausible, makes no sense for Russia to risk hitting Polish territory right now

All the WWIII hysteria can calm down now

Fingers crossed that you're right.

[UserSince2005]

Russia needs a smack

[Alf]

So what happened was it was Ukraine who did it and then they lied to try to frame Russia for it in a bid to escalate WWIII

Do I have that right?

[Beso]

It's ok...Biden's on the case

Youtube video

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Alf

So what happened was it was Ukraine who did it and then they lied to try to frame Russia for it in a bid to escalate WWIII

Do I have that right?

Probably Belarus.

[arista]

The Missile is Russian Made
but it appears to have come from Ukraine Forces
who use old Russian gear they have picked up.

Two polish farmers are dead.



All Media.

[arista]

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Alf

So what happened was it was Ukraine who did it and then they lied to try to frame Russia for it in a bid to escalate WWIII

Do I have that right?

Not really although of course the blame-game is being played - the suggestion is that it's a SAM (surface to air missile) fired by Ukraine to intercept Russian missiles, that has gone astray and landed over the Polish border.

I personally would call that shared responsibility; Ukraine ultimately has to share responsibility if equipment has gone wrong, but Russia is partly to blame for engaging targets so close to the border, as they know the risks.

These things aren't all that unusual, similar has happened plenty of times in the Middle East (usually Americans firing the rockets). More commonly missiles aimed at military targets accidentally blowing a civilian building to bits.

NATO countries have a vested interest in giving the benefit of the doubt if both sides are claiming this was an accident, because if they don't allow "it was an accident sorry!" to be an acceptable excuse, then they'll have less wriggle room themselves when they inevitably next do the same.

[UserSince2005]

It seems incredibly unlucky to hit 2 people in somewhere so sparsely populated. It has to be a targeted

[user104658]

Originally Posted by UserSince2005

It seems incredibly unlucky to hit 2 people in somewhere so sparsely populated. It has to be a targeted

Most Surface to Air missile systems use infrared (or "heat-seeking") as part of their targetting system so while it seems like a huge coincidence, it's actually quite plausible that a stray missile in a large open area would hit a dwelling/vehicle etc. because they're the only thing in the area generating any heat in a cold area. More likely at this time of year as the surrounding area will be even colder by contrast.

[UserSince2005]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Most Surface to Air missile systems use infrared (or "heat-seeking") as part of their targetting system so while it seems like a huge coincidence, it's actually quite plausible that a stray missile in a large open area would hit a dwelling/vehicle etc. because they're the only thing in the area generating any heat in a cold area. More likely at this time of year as the surrounding area will be even colder by contrast.

Makes sense. Poor Ukrainians they must feel so awful.

[Gusto Brunt]

Sunak was completely right when he said Russia and Putin are responsible for the Ukrainian missiles straying into Poland, even though Russia didn't launch them.

Russia is responsible because Ukraine wouldn't be firing missiles if it wasn't for Putin and Russian starting this war.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Not really although of course the blame-game is being played - the suggestion is that it's a SAM (surface to air missile) fired by Ukraine to intercept Russian missiles, that has gone astray and landed over the Polish border.

I personally would call that shared responsibility; Ukraine ultimately has to share responsibility if equipment has gone wrong, but Russia is partly to blame for engaging targets so close to the border, as they know the risks.

These things aren't all that unusual, similar has happened plenty of times in the Middle East (usually Americans firing the rockets). More commonly missiles aimed at military targets accidentally blowing a civilian building to bits.

NATO countries have a vested interest in giving the benefit of the doubt if both sides are claiming this was an accident, because if they don't allow "it was an accident sorry!" to be an acceptable excuse, then they'll have less wriggle room themselves when they inevitably next do the same.

Very true TS

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by arista

Everyone gathering round Rishi's desk because they know the UK is no. 1 in these matters

[Alf]

Originally Posted by arista

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