[Niamh.]

Why ordinary people(not army or whatever) are allowed purchase weapons like that first one especially is beyond me but no point in even mentioning that anymore, seems a lot of Americans care more about owning a gun than the lives of innocent people and children

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Her main weapon was a GRUNT RIFLE - 16" 5.56 NATO W/ 15" HANDGUARD $899



She also had a Smith & Wesson M&P 9mm which is light and popular with women $500



the other gun was said to be an assault style pistol but I could not make out the model.

Police also found 2 further shotguns at her home


Well done to the 2 brave cops who attended and shot the perp dead

Yes as always the main issue is ... why the **** are civilians in the US able to get their hands on guns like these so easily? It's just madness.

[bitontheslide]

we just don't think the same way as americans. Every time i hear about these tragic shootings, there is next to no comment from americans other than the families directly affected. Politicians make noises, but its pretty obvious they couldn't care less and are just mouthing platitudes

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

[Nashville police chief John Drake did not say
what drove the killer - who they named
as Audrey Hale, 28 - to open fire on
Monday morning at The Covenant School,
where she used to be a student,
before being shot dead by police]

So he was an illustrator of childrens books? and of course it matters if he was trans Redway it may be part of the motive....Trans people are not a protected species although it’s beginning to go down that road which should be a worry for everyone, silly people ringing into LBC this morning to say it shouldn’t be mentioned

[LeatherTrumpet]

As i have previously stated. Americans accept that this happens now and then for them to have the freedom to own guns

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

As i have previously stated. Americans accept that this happens now and then for them to have the freedom to own guns

"now and then" far far too many times imo.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Why ordinary people(not army or whatever) are allowed purchase weapons like that first one especially is beyond me but no point in even mentioning that anymore, seems a lot of Americans care more about owning a gun than the lives of innocent people and children

Debated all the Time On USA TV news


Biden is scared to lose votes

[Cherie]

I wonder if the target was picked because of how vulnerable they were, older kids might have over powered him

[Liam-]

Things like this will continue to happen unless they take a serious look at the mental health epidemic they’re currently ignoring and tighten up the gun laws so people that shouldn’t have access to guns, don’t get access to them, unfortunately in a southern state it’s probably easier than most places to get easy access to one, profit over lives, the American way

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I wonder if the target was picked because of how vulnerable they were, older kids might have over powered him

it was a woman shooter

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

"now and then" far far too many times imo.

not for them and their 300,000,000 population

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

not for them and their 300,000,000 population

These 3 children here is too much imo, I don't care about the size of their population

[Liam-]

I wonder just how many children they think they can afford to spare before the need to make change actually kicks in

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

not for them and their 300,000,000 population

Even relative to population the number of school shootings in the US is off the charts compared to any other country anywhere in the world. They do very rarely happen elsewhere but in terms of being a regular occurrence, the US is genuinely unique, in the entire world.

It's worth noting though ... that's including other nations with few gun controls. So the gun laws aren't the whole story. It's a bizarre cultural phenomenon that's going to be very hard to solve at this point. I strongly suspect there'd still be a statistically much higher rate of school attacks in the US even if guns were banned completely. Home-made weapons, makeshift explosive devices etc. would probably be used.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

Even relative to population the number of school shootings in the US is off the charts compared to any other country anywhere in the world. They do very rarely happen elsewhere but in terms of being a regular occurrence, the US is genuinely unique, in the entire world.

It's worth noting though ... that's including other nations with few gun controls. So the gun laws aren't the whole story. It's a bizarre cultural phenomenon that's going to be very hard to solve at this point. I strongly suspect there'd still be a statistically much higher rate of school attacks in the US even if guns were banned completely. Home-made weapons, makeshift explosive devices etc. would probably be used.

Yeah it is odd alright, look at this

https://wisevoter.com/country-rankin...gs-by-country/

[Redway]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

yes, targeting kids younger than 11 certainly matters to me, i don't consider it nonsense to point that out

And what gender a shooter is, is detailed in every shooting there has ever been

What happened matters (duh) but I just don’t see what this trans. business has to do with the actual tragedy. Just because some official articles go into anal detail (necessarily or otherwise) about the gender identity of these attackers doesn’t mean that we need to be concerned about it. None of that detracts from the fact that 6 innocent people were killed.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I can maybe possibly understand the killing of the headteacher and two other adults as an ex student as a motive, but 3 9 year olds.... evil

I've got no stats at hand (currently) to back this up, but transmen often have childhood sexual trauma. I'm not about to victim-blame those who were individually shot, but I wouldn't be surprised if it transpired that this person had been on the end of sexual abuse while at that school.

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

A genuine question to ask (given this was a female to male trans person) is ... were they on HRT, which drugs, and how much of it.

Trans-identification often enough has a comorbidity with other mental disorders, and that can't be helped by any drugs, let alone cross-sex hormones...

Originally Posted by Redway

What happened matters (duh) but I just don’t see what this trans. business has to do with the actual tragedy. Just because some official articles go into anal detail (necessarily or otherwise) about the gender identity of these attackers doesn’t mean that we need to be concerned about it. None of that detracts from the fact that 6 innocent people were killed.

It could play into "motive".

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah it is odd alright, look at this

https://wisevoter.com/country-rankin...gs-by-country/

I think comparing with Mexico is the most stark example there - Mexico has major violence problems, guns absolutely everywhere, and a population 1/3 that of the USA. But even scaled for population the US had more than 10x more school shootings in that period. Just under 10x for South Africa - another notoriously violent country with a lot of guns in the population. "Shooting up the school" is such a strangely specific US issue, and I've never seen any real explanation proposed for that.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

I think comparing with Mexico is the most stark example there - Mexico has major violence problems, guns absolutely everywhere, and a population 1/3 that of the USA. But even scaled for population the US had more than 10x more school shootings in that period. Just under 10x for South Africa - another notoriously violent country with a lot of guns in the population. "Shooting up the school" is such a strangely specific US issue, and I've never seen any real explanation proposed for that.

it is odd, I think you'd have to maybe do a some sort of a study on the people who do these though to try and find any sort of explanation. I wonder if anybody has ever tried to do that? You'd think they would have, if they're not going to restrict guns at least see why schools are the targets.

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

it is odd, I think you'd have to maybe do a some sort of a study on the people who do these though to try and find any sort of explanation. I wonder if anybody has ever tried to do that? You'd think they would have, if they're not going to restrict guns at least see why schools are the targets.

going back to the case i remember the most, it was a young female, she killed loads of kids, teachers and police at the school, and she did it simply because she didn't like Monday's

[LeatherTrumpet]

In 4 days time this will be long forgotten apart from in this one town. The news agenda will have diverted american's attentions elsewhere

[MTVN]

A large element of it must just be the copycat effect. In Japan if you want to end everything you wander off into the forest; in America you shoot up a school. There's also a huge mental health epidemic in the States partly driven imo by the overprescription of drugs.

Michael Moore tried to look at the reasons behind it all in Bowling For Columbine but I've never actually watched it

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

A large element of it must just be the copycat effect. In Japan if you want to end everything you wander off into the forest; in America you shoot up a school. There's also a huge mental health epidemic in the States partly driven imo by the overprescription of drugs.

Michael Moore tried to look at the reasons behind it all in Bowling For Columbine but I've never actually watched it

Yeah, copy cat definitely sounds like a plausible possibility. It's really thought of an American thing to do alright. I might look that Documentary up Matt thanks

[Soldier Boy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

going back to the case i remember the most, it was a young female, she killed loads of kids, teachers and police at the school, and she did it simply because she didn't like Monday's

She SAID "I don't like Mondays" bots, I don't think that was her actual motive . She was basically saying "I'm not telling you why I did it."

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

She SAID "I don't like Mondays" bots, I don't think that was her actual motive . She was basically saying "I'm not telling you why I did it."

They can see no reasons
'Cause there are no reasons
What reasons do you need