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Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Nation is fine because it's a relatively neutral and ambiguous term. We're a country made up of nations.

I'm not even going to limit to four - what we call the West Country was basically once a Celtic kingdom called Dumnonia, so there's no reason that can't be one of the Nations too! Rock on, Scotland, Wales, Norn Iron, Dumnonia, and England!!

It's not about liking or disliking PR. It's about having a system already in place which isn't compatible with PR.

You sound like you have an ear to the ground, do the plans go beyond "we should have PR," are there proposals as to how the seats would be distributed in a representative manner, compared to what we have now?

Your last paragraph is important.
It's why we need a debate on PR, all the forms of it and HOW PR could be evolved into as much as possible holding constituency/.MP connection.
Although I think you'd even be surprised just how many and the massive high numbers, who haven't a clue who their MP is anyhow.

I as a Labour party member along with hoards of other members, have fought hard for years to steer a Labour conference to vote for PR.

I've learned to PR since my Uni days.
Now I really support it.
It was overwhelmingly supported at the Labour conference in 2022.
(Starmer won't it seems, take it on for the next manifesto unfortunately).

Because the debate needs to be had, with other Parties who want it too in my view.
Plus to debate and plan a PR system which will be more ideal of reflecting seats for votes from votes cast, for future elections.

To get PR even possible, one of the usual governing main Parties needed to want it too.
Labour is now a Party that wants it , has voted for it.
We now have to persuade the leader of the Party and his Cabinet to accept the conference decision.
It seems Starmer won't for the next election manifesto.
Which annoys me but it would have to be the right PR system so more debate and a bit more time to wait is something I can take.

Every single other Party in Westminster, want PR in elections now.
Even the DUP from N Ireland.

Only one doesn't, the Cons.
Because they know the power they get to abuse while in power will never likely be given them again under PR.

For me the main bonus is NO Party under PR will then get absolute power for getting over 40% votes for them, while well over 50% of voters have voted against them.
For me, that's more like real democracy.