[arista]

Yes Slim
SNP anger at weak Starmer

Today in PMQ's

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes Slim
SNP anger at weak Starmer

Today in PMQ's

Not sure its weakness.

I'm pretty stunned on the tuition fees turnaround.

I'm not like Slim YET, however I'm seeing more and more what Slim is saying.
Sorry Slim for some reason this wouldn't double quote.

I've now heard from 4 leading figures in Labour, including Thornberry today on Politics live.
The message that if Labour wins they are going to inherit a really big mess.

I'm almost on the road of thinking Starmer maybe doesnt relish winning the next election.
So hoping to drastically cut the Cons majority to a very small one or take it to a hung parliament even.

I am scratching my head at this point.
I'm not the only one either.

I'm NOT happy at the tuition fees change.
Not at all
It was a very important issue for me in 2010.
I'll see what he comes up with instead of it but for me it's a really bad and wrong move he's done on them at this moment in time.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Not sure its weakness.

I'm pretty stunned on the tuition fees turnaround.

I'm not like Slim YET, however I'm seeing more and more what Slim is saying.
Sorry Slim fit some reason this wouldn't double quote.

I've now heard from 4 leading figures in Labour, including Thornberry today on Politics live.
The message that if Labour wins they are going to inherit a really big mess.

I'm almost on the road of thinking Starmer maybe doesntvrelush winning the next election.
So hoping to drastically cut the Cons majority to a very small one or take it to a hung parliament even.

I am scratching my head at this point.
I'm not the only one either.

I'm NOT happy at the tuition fees change.
Not at all
It was a very important issue for me in 2010.
I'll see what he comes up with instead of it but for me it's a really bad and wrong move he's done on them at this moment in time.

Tories inherited a mess in 2010 - not because of labour, but because of the banking crash in 08. They chose the no spend, cut everything austerity route that Starmer looks set to continue.

If the country is a mess, it needs investment, not more austerity, and that's the main issue. Starmer is pretty much guaranteed to win, but his lack of vision will see him kicked out at the first opportunity, which will lead to another 15 years out of power to the tories, resulting in another lost generation, forcing the country evermore righrwards -which always happens in times of poverty.

He had such a massive lead that he didn't need to take advice from Blairites, he needed an ambitious, progressive programme. He's as bad as Johnson, just in a different way. Johnson is about himself, Starmer is about power for powers sake.

I know I'm preaching to the choir a bit, Joey, as I know you don't really disagree, but Starmer is a duplicitous shambles of a man.

He chose to fight the left rather than the tories. Crazy.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Tories inherited a mess in 2010 - not because of labour, but because of the banking crash in 08. They chose the no spend, cut everything austerity route that Starmer looks set to continue.

If the country is a mess, it needs investment, not more austerity, and that's the main issue. Starmer is pretty much guaranteed to win, but his lack of vision will see him kicked out at the first opportunity, which will lead to another 15 years out of power to the tories, resulting in another lost generation, forcing the country evermore righrwards -which always happens in times of poverty.

He had such a massive lead that he didn't need to take advice from Blairites, he needed an ambitious, progressive programme. He's as bad as Johnson, just in a different way. Johnson is about himself, Starmer is about power for powers sake.

I know I'm preaching to the choir a bit, Joey, as I know you don't really disagree, but Starmer is a duplicitous shambles of a man.

He chose to fight the left rather than the tories. Crazy.

A lot of that is correct Slim.
I am extremely dissatisfied with the tuition fees change.
My fury duly submitted to the Labour hierarchy too.

Not that my fury will make any difference, not likely others fury in the Party either.
He's dismayed younger people with his tuition fee change.

It will now be interesting to see the local election results.
John Curtice rightly indicated that for the current polling on Labours lead to be likely accurate of around 15%
Then since these results are more in some stronger Con areas from when last fought.
Labour would need to be near, on or above a 10% lead over the Cons in these local elections.

I never believe polling, I've never thought there were 20%+ gaps.
Actual votes tell a more real story.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

A lot of that is correct Slim.
I am extremely dissatisfied with the tuition fees change.
My fury duly submitted to the Labour hierarchy too.

Not that my fury will make any difference, not likely others fury in the Party either.
He's dismayed younger people with his tuition fee change.

It will now be interesting to see the local election results.
John Curtice rightly indicated that for the current polling on Labours lead to be likely accurate of around 15%
Then since these results are more in some stronger Con areas from when last fought.
Labour would need to be near, on or above a 10% lead over the Cons in these local elections.

I never believe polling, I've never thought there were 20%+ gaps.
Actual votes tell a more real story.

Tory fatigue is real though, and that's ultimately what will decide the next election because people are just tired of them. It will be classed as a great victory for Starmer, which will only bolster his opinion that acting like a tory is the right way to hold on - it never will be.