[arista]

This was Early today

[Oliver_W]

Not to go all "tin foil hat" but I swear Own Goal is hired to make the left look ridiculous and untenable. Even if you agree with some of what he says, he makes it sound unreasonable.

I can't see him being hired for these things because people think he has something to contribute. The networks just want to make "the other side" look dumb.

[The Slim Reaper]

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by arista

This was Early today

ew i have not seen that little freak in the tv for ages

cant believe he is still getting gigs?

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

ew i have not seen that little freak in the tv for ages

Jonathan Ashworth ?


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[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

ew i have not seen that little freak in the tv for ages

cant believe he is still getting gigs?

Yes he is on GMBHD itv
in the early morning, again
Around 6:30AM

As the Normal left Winger Kevin
is on holiday

[arista]

[The Slim Reaper]

[The Slim Reaper]

Starmer getting rinsed.

[arista]

Yes Slim
SNP anger at weak Starmer

Today in PMQ's

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes Slim
SNP anger at weak Starmer

Today in PMQ's

Not sure its weakness.

I'm pretty stunned on the tuition fees turnaround.

I'm not like Slim YET, however I'm seeing more and more what Slim is saying.
Sorry Slim for some reason this wouldn't double quote.

I've now heard from 4 leading figures in Labour, including Thornberry today on Politics live.
The message that if Labour wins they are going to inherit a really big mess.

I'm almost on the road of thinking Starmer maybe doesnt relish winning the next election.
So hoping to drastically cut the Cons majority to a very small one or take it to a hung parliament even.

I am scratching my head at this point.
I'm not the only one either.

I'm NOT happy at the tuition fees change.
Not at all
It was a very important issue for me in 2010.
I'll see what he comes up with instead of it but for me it's a really bad and wrong move he's done on them at this moment in time.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Not sure its weakness.

I'm pretty stunned on the tuition fees turnaround.

I'm not like Slim YET, however I'm seeing more and more what Slim is saying.
Sorry Slim fit some reason this wouldn't double quote.

I've now heard from 4 leading figures in Labour, including Thornberry today on Politics live.
The message that if Labour wins they are going to inherit a really big mess.

I'm almost on the road of thinking Starmer maybe doesntvrelush winning the next election.
So hoping to drastically cut the Cons majority to a very small one or take it to a hung parliament even.

I am scratching my head at this point.
I'm not the only one either.

I'm NOT happy at the tuition fees change.
Not at all
It was a very important issue for me in 2010.
I'll see what he comes up with instead of it but for me it's a really bad and wrong move he's done on them at this moment in time.

Tories inherited a mess in 2010 - not because of labour, but because of the banking crash in 08. They chose the no spend, cut everything austerity route that Starmer looks set to continue.

If the country is a mess, it needs investment, not more austerity, and that's the main issue. Starmer is pretty much guaranteed to win, but his lack of vision will see him kicked out at the first opportunity, which will lead to another 15 years out of power to the tories, resulting in another lost generation, forcing the country evermore righrwards -which always happens in times of poverty.

He had such a massive lead that he didn't need to take advice from Blairites, he needed an ambitious, progressive programme. He's as bad as Johnson, just in a different way. Johnson is about himself, Starmer is about power for powers sake.

I know I'm preaching to the choir a bit, Joey, as I know you don't really disagree, but Starmer is a duplicitous shambles of a man.

He chose to fight the left rather than the tories. Crazy.

[bots]

his only interest is in becoming PM and he will do anything to achieve that, but that makes him exactly the same as at least 90% of current mp's. None that i can see have any genuine moral fibre

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Tories inherited a mess in 2010 - not because of labour, but because of the banking crash in 08. They chose the no spend, cut everything austerity route that Starmer looks set to continue.

If the country is a mess, it needs investment, not more austerity, and that's the main issue. Starmer is pretty much guaranteed to win, but his lack of vision will see him kicked out at the first opportunity, which will lead to another 15 years out of power to the tories, resulting in another lost generation, forcing the country evermore righrwards -which always happens in times of poverty.

He had such a massive lead that he didn't need to take advice from Blairites, he needed an ambitious, progressive programme. He's as bad as Johnson, just in a different way. Johnson is about himself, Starmer is about power for powers sake.

I know I'm preaching to the choir a bit, Joey, as I know you don't really disagree, but Starmer is a duplicitous shambles of a man.

He chose to fight the left rather than the tories. Crazy.

A lot of that is correct Slim.
I am extremely dissatisfied with the tuition fees change.
My fury duly submitted to the Labour hierarchy too.

Not that my fury will make any difference, not likely others fury in the Party either.
He's dismayed younger people with his tuition fee change.

It will now be interesting to see the local election results.
John Curtice rightly indicated that for the current polling on Labours lead to be likely accurate of around 15%
Then since these results are more in some stronger Con areas from when last fought.
Labour would need to be near, on or above a 10% lead over the Cons in these local elections.

I never believe polling, I've never thought there were 20%+ gaps.
Actual votes tell a more real story.

[arista]

[I've now heard from 4 leading figures in Labour,
including Thornberry today on Politics live.
The message that if Labour wins they are
going to inherit a really big mess.]

Yes Joey they all say that

My problem is them saying Fully Costed
to every policy.

But some of Labours Numbers
do not add up.

[arista]

Tomorrow
Labour wants to use the Local Elections
as it's all about their gain?

But LibDems and Greens
Could gain some Labour councils

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

his only interest is in becoming PM and he will do anything to achieve that, but that makes him exactly the same as at least 90% of current mp's. None that i can see have any genuine moral fibre

Labour removed the whip from an MP who donates his pay rises to charity, and never took his 9k home allowance.

Honesty and principle need to be marginalised so there is no one around who can call them out.

Rayners silence is deafening.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

A lot of that is correct Slim.
I am extremely dissatisfied with the tuition fees change.
My fury duly submitted to the Labour hierarchy too.

Not that my fury will make any difference, not likely others fury in the Party either.
He's dismayed younger people with his tuition fee change.

It will now be interesting to see the local election results.
John Curtice rightly indicated that for the current polling on Labours lead to be likely accurate of around 15%
Then since these results are more in some stronger Con areas from when last fought.
Labour would need to be near, on or above a 10% lead over the Cons in these local elections.

I never believe polling, I've never thought there were 20%+ gaps.
Actual votes tell a more real story.

Tory fatigue is real though, and that's ultimately what will decide the next election because people are just tired of them. It will be classed as a great victory for Starmer, which will only bolster his opinion that acting like a tory is the right way to hold on - it never will be.

[arista]

[arista]

Starmer needs the Brexit Voters to Win,
Slim.

[arista]

Starmer has given an interview to SkyNewsHD
He will not do any deal with the SNP.


https://news.sky.com/story/sir-keir-...ament-12877158

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by arista

Starmer has give an interview to SkyNewsHD
He will not do any deal with the SNP.


https://news.sky.com/story/sir-keir-...ament-12877158

Rubbish from him.

If he is say, and it's unlikely but if he's a fair way short of an overall majority.
Plus if the LibDems haven't enough to take him over the line, however the SNP have.
It would be folly to alienate the SNP if they offered support.

It's more than likely though that if Labour is short.
What with Plaid Cymru who currently work with Labour in Wales.
The green MP, plus the SDLP from N. Ireland.
Even the Alliance Party from N Ireland.
That combination wouldn't want a Con government.

The LibDems won't want to get severe burns again by even being seen to support the Cons.
Davey has firmly ruled out any deals with the Cons.

Of course the SNP really in full reality wouldn't dare do anything at Westminster to risk the Cons returning to governnent
So likely Starmer won't need to do or say much as to any deals whatever.

He could just call their bluff as to all of them.
To dare to vote him down and help the Cons back to government.
Any Party that did so would face fury from their own supporters.

[bots]

Starmer wants to fudge the self id stuff and direct association with the snp would open up that issue as wide as a barn door

[joeysteele]

He won't rule out convincingly a deal with the LibDems though.

What will they really want this time too, PR.
Since he's open to it but not for Labours manifesto this election.
Then that could be his cementing any deal with the LibDems.

I'd be happy with that.

[Zizu]

I thought Labour were gonna easily slaughter the tories ??


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