[bots]

i think the idea of deep sea exploration is a good one, because we have so much to learn, but really, from a safety perspective that can be done with robots. If you take that sub as an example, they travel down in a manned craft, in cramped conditions, in the dark, and then look at the titanic on a computer screen with an image provide by the subs camera and lights. Exactly the same can be achieved from the comfort of your own home connecting up to a submersible robot. The whole business model seems to be based on the risk of death participating in it when its a completely needless element

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Not sure Boris is really reading the room right by making out that these guys were heroic risk takers on a noble venture. Most people think it was a totally needless loss of life caused by a morbid fascination and that the submarine was a stupid rich man's toy

That was how Sky News and a few experts described the victims last night.

They referred them to brave explorers or intrepid explorers..

Very odd


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[MTVN]

It's a well written piece mind you:

The reason so few people have done it is because it takes such nerve; and it is precisely because the market is so small, and *undeveloped, and populated only by risk-hungry billionaires, that the machines are still a bit *experimental. Unless and until we master this form of navigation, humanity will continue to live in ignorance.

Look at our globe, this beautiful ball criss-crossed every day by the contrails of planes, where virtually every inch of land has been explored from pole to pole. It is 70 per cent blue, covered by seas and oceans sometimes more than twice as deep as the resting-place of the Titanic.

It is a staggering fact that of the world beneath the oceans, only around a fifth has been mapped. We are more ignorant of the subaquatic landscape of the Earth than we are of the surface of Mars.

Some say that this undersea world is full of riches; like those rare metals we so urgently need for electric vehicle batteries, *abundant nodules that could be harvested without damaging the marine environment. Others are not so sure. But how can we know if we don’t look? And why should the chance to look at this world be reserved to an infinitesimal few?

That is why this mission was so important, and should be valued by Left-wingers as well as *everyone else. Yes, there were risks, and warnings. But every great advance must inevitably involve *experiment, and equipment that can seem, in retrospect, *dangerously inadequate.

Look at the slide rules and graph paper with which the first *astronauts calculated their *position in space. Look at those first flying machines — weird *contraptions of leather and canvas and wood. They were lethal — and yet no one tried to regulate them. The whole idea was new.

Hamish Harding and his fellows were trying to take a new step for humanity, to popularise undersea travel, to democratise the ocean floor. They knew the dangers. In the immortal words of Captain Scott, just before he died from the Antarctic cold: ‘We took risks, we knew we took them; things have come out against us, and therefore we have no cause for complaint...’

Harding and his friends died in a cause — pushing out the frontiers of human knowledge and experience — that is typically British, and that fills me with pride.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ticle-12227209

[bots]

that is totally ignoring the fact we can use robot technology without any risk to human life

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i think the idea of deep sea exploration is a good one, because we have so much to learn, but really, from a safety perspective that can be done with robots. If you take that sub as an example, they travel down in a manned craft, in cramped conditions, in the dark, and then look at the titanic on a computer screen with an image provide by the subs camera and lights. Exactly the same can be achieved from the comfort of your own home connecting up to a submersible robot. The whole business model seems to be based on the risk of death participating in it when its a completely needless element

What do they learn from circulating the titanic wreck time after time ??

It’s completely desolate down there


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[bots]

there is lots to be learned from wrecks, just like there is now lots to learn from the titan wreck

[UserSince2005]

Bizarre take on the situation

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

that is totally ignoring the fact we can use robot technology without any risk to human life

Should that apply to space exploration too

[bots]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Should that apply to space exploration too

yes

[rusticgal]

Imo…we have seen fascinating footage of what remains of the Titanic…much was retrieved from the ship that was exhibited at The Natural History museum. Let the ship and all those who went down with it rest in peace…there is nothing more to be learnt or salvaged…just a morbid fascination..

That’s my opinion anyway.

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Zizu

What do they learn from circulating the titanic wreck time after time ??

It’s completely desolate down there


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Nothing more Zizu…nothing.

[Beso]

Anything for a photo opportunity.

[Zizu]

Also if there’s only a handful of craft that can go that far down how have they managed to salvage 6,500 artefacts from the wreck


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[Zizu]

Another ‘take’ on the situation

https://youtu.be/_uahXFzEKkE


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[Vanessa]

It seems to me that the vessel was not safe. It was done by cutting corners about safety.
I'm surprised those rich people didn't run checks on them to make sure things were done people?
Heartbreaking anyway, those poor people.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Another ‘take’ on the situation

https://youtu.be/_uahXFzEKkE


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Im not listening to a Phil Oakey wannabe who says dude and paints his nails like a big jessy

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Im not listening to a Phil Oakey wannabe who says dude and paints his nails like a big jessy

He’s a media sensation apparently ..


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[UserSince2005]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Another ‘take’ on the situation

https://youtu.be/_uahXFzEKkE


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Fed up of people making comparisons to the Pakistan migrants that drown.
1. The sub had 3 brits on board, the boat had 0 brits on board
2. Since when was Pakistan a country that you needed to flee from. They were all just greedy economic migrants.
3. How many on that boat hated western culture and wanted to kill us?

The only comparison is that both the boat and the sub had Pakistanis on who were willing to risk their children’s life for what? Let’s talk about that fact.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by UserSince2005

Fed up of people making comparisons to the Pakistan migrants that drown.
1. The sub had 3 brits on board, the boat had 0 brits on board
2. Since when was Pakistan a country that you needed to flee from. They were all just greedy economic migrants.
3. How many on that boat hated western culture and wanted to kill us?

The only comparison is that both the boat and the sub had Pakistanis on who were willing to risk their children’s life for what? Let’s talk about that fact.

SPOT ON

to be fair the american boy was virtue signalling for clout

like he even knows where Pakistan is, lol

[Zizu]

Soooo the media are now reporting that the mini sub wasn’t even registered as a boat / submarine/ marine craft at all so they didn’t have to abide by all the stringent rules and regulations in place !!!


Also … why on Earth where they allowed to go down so close to the wreck of the Titanic … most historical sites are heavily regulated and protected.


I’m thinking some greasy palms may have had cash placed in them …


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[arista]

Yes, Handy the CEO died with it.

He failed
sad ending.

[Cherie]

The mother of the teenager who died on the Titan submersible gave up her place to her son after the original trip was postponed due to Covid.

Suleman Dawood, 19, and his father Shahzada were among five people who died when the vessel imploded on a journey to view the wreck of the Titanic.

Christine Dawood told the BBC her son had been disappointed that he was not old enough to accompany them on the original trip scheduled before the pandemic.

“It was supposed to be Shahzada and I going down,” she said. “I stepped back and gave the place to Suleman because he really wanted to go.”


The mother of the teenager who died on the Titan submersible gave up her place to her son after the original trip was postponed due to Covid.

Suleman Dawood, 19, and his father Shahzada were among five people who died when the vessel imploded on a journey to view the wreck of the Titanic.

Christine Dawood told the BBC her son had been disappointed that he was not old enough to accompany them on the original trip scheduled before the pandemic.

“It was supposed to be Shahzada and I going down,” she said. “I stepped back and gave the place to Suleman because he really wanted to go.”


Asked how she felt about the decision, she simply said: “Let’s just skip that.”

She said “both of them were so excited” and her son had taken a Rubik’s Cube with him because he wanted to break a world record.

Mrs Dawood said her son loved the famous square puzzle so much that he carried it with him everywhere and dazzled onlookers by solving it in 12 seconds.

She told the broadcaster: “He said, ‘I’m going to solve the Rubik’s Cube 3,700 metres below sea at the Titanic’.”

The family boarded the Polar Prince, the sub’s support vessel, on Father’s Day hoping for the trip of a lifetime.

Mrs Dawood and her 17-year-old daughter Alina were still on board when word came through that communications with Titan had been lost.

She and her daughter held out hope to begin with after they did not initially return.

She said: “We all thought they are just going to come up so that shock was delayed by about 10 hours or so.

“By the time they were supposed to be up again, there was a time…. when they were supposed to be up on the surface again and when that time passed, the real shock, not shock but the worry and the not so good feelings, started.

“We had loads of hope, I think that was the only thing that got us through it because we were hoping and… we talked about things that pilots can do like dropping weights, there were so many actions people on the sub can do in order to surface.

We were constantly looking at the surface. There was so many things we would go through where we would think ‘it’s just slow right now, it’s slow right now’. But there was a lot of hope.”


She said she “lost hope” when 96 hours had passed since her husband and son boarded the submersible, which indicated they had run out of oxygen.

She revealed that is when she sent a message to her family saying she was “preparing for the worst”.

Her daughter held out a bit longer, she said, until the call with the US Coast Guard when they were informed debris had been found.

The family returned to St John’s in Newfoundland, Canada, on Saturday, and on Sunday held a funeral prayer for Shahzada and Suleman.

Mrs Dawood said she and her daughter have vowed to try to learn to finish the Rubik’s Cube in Suleman’s honour, and she intends to continue her husband’s work.

She said: “He was involved in so many things, he helped so many people and I think Alina and I really want to continue that legacy and give him that platform when his work has continued and it’s quite important for my daughter as well.

“Alina and I said we are going learn how to solve the Rubik’s Cube. That’s going to be a challenge for us because we are really bad at it but we are going to learn it.”


Shame on the lying Aunt wanting her 15 minutes of fame

[Nicky91]

this submersible was only qualified for ''only'' 1/3 of the depth required to reach titanic apparently, so i read


they shouldn't have ever left? this was so preventable, and i'm more surprised it happened only now, and not in the many trips before this fatal one

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

this submersible was only qualified for ''only'' 1/3 of the depth required to reach titanic apparently, so i read


they shouldn't have ever left? this was so preventable, and i'm more surprised it happened only now, and not in the many trips before this fatal one

I read that the viewing port at the front was only rated up to 1/3 the depth. The doesn't mean it can't go deeper but it does mean that the manufacturer is saying they will only guarantee it to that depth and using it beyond that would be "at your own risk".

The whole thing is mad really, the safety standards were pretty much non-existent. This will lead to regulation of the industry I imagine, and rightly so (i.e. these sorts of subs will have to be assessed and signed off by a regulatory group before companies are allowed to sell tickets to the public).

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i think the idea of deep sea exploration is a good one, because we have so much to learn, but really, from a safety perspective that can be done with robots. If you take that sub as an example, they travel down in a manned craft, in cramped conditions, in the dark, and then look at the titanic on a computer screen with an image provide by the subs camera and lights. Exactly the same can be achieved from the comfort of your own home connecting up to a submersible robot. The whole business model seems to be based on the risk of death participating in it when its a completely needless element

Yeah exactly, it seems like a really pointless risk when you're still only watching on a screen